Which is the better stat line of these PGs

[Chrisksaint]

Re: Which is the better stat line of these PGs

Far and away? How so? The only reason I would even give them the edge over a Derrick Rose is experience. Also, I gotta give D-Will props because he's from my alma mater and he's clutch (see 2005 Illini/Arizona Elite Eight).

He's saying best all around, Rose is playing really well can't argue that but from a general standpoint there isn't really a thing CP3 and D Will do bad

[BATMON]

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Outplaying Telfair and West isnt a big achievement.

[Jukeman]

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Outplaying Telfair and West isnt a big achievement.

Um yeah, thats the point I was trying to me (sarcasm)

Telfair was still a hot prospect then (3rd year; still very young and overrated)

West was coming off a break out season...

Point is Rondo wasnt supposed to be getting minutes...

[BATMON]

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What's the argument/debate here - i forgot.....?

[Jukeman]

Re: Which is the better stat line of these PGs

Finishers have to finish.

Hasnt playing w/ Three HOFers since his second season help make Rondo the player he is today?

Outplaying Telfair and West isnt a big achievement.

Says the guy who makes pointless comments

[BATMON]

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I didnt mean that as an insult.

[cubsball899]

Re: Which is the better stat line of these PGs

i'll give you Deron Williams but Chris Paul hasn't been an elite player since he and tyson chandler caught lightning in a bottle...

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

Re: Which is the better stat line of these PGs

i'll give you Deron Williams but Chris Paul hasn't been an elite player since he and tyson chandler caught lightning in a bottle...

Sarcasm?

10char

[cubsball899]

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shouldn't elite players make the playoffs?

whether or not it is due to injuries is irrelevant, fact is... he's not an elite player

if you don't like how i judge players, thats fine, but i don't judge players by their stat lines (unless their teams have comparable success) basketball is a team game

chris paul DOES make a lot of flashy highlight plays so obviously thats cool

[PrettyT11]

Re: Which is the better stat line of these PGs

shouldn't elite players make the playoffs?

whether or not it is due to injuries is irrelevant, fact is... he's not an elite player

if you don't like how i judge players, thats fine, but i don't judge players by their stat lines (unless their teams have comparable success) basketball is a team game

chris paul DOES make a lot of flashy highlight plays so obviously thats cool

How can you say injuries is irrelevant if that is the very reason why he/they didn't make the playoffs last year?? He only played half the season last year. I mean they did make the playoffs the two years before that and if the season ended today they would be in the playoffs this year.

So then in your mind what kind of players was Kobe in 04-05 and KG from 04-05 to 07?? Where they still not elite players then??

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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How can you say injuries is irrelevant if that is the very reason why he/they didn't make the playoffs last year?? He only played half the season last year. I mean they did make the playoffs the two years before that and if the season ended today they would be in the playoffs this year.

So then in your mind what kind of players was Kobe in 04-05 and KG from 04-05 to 07?? Where they still not elite players then??

Nah, Kobe's trash...

[Po Pimp]

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They're all in their mid 30's right now... Their past is irrelevant. If they were all in their prime you would have a compelling argument, but Rondo is averaging 14 assists with these "old bums" as some of you like to call it.

Who said KG, Allen and Pierce were bums? KG has perfected that mid-range J, plus he's 7ft tall...still a match-up nightmare. Pierce is not old...he's 33, and still a capable scorer. Ray Allen is one of the greatest shooters in NBA history, and one thing you never lose is a jumper. I bet 55 year old Larry Bird can still hit an open 3. My point is, Rondo's assists numbers are not so much him making those 3 better, but more so developing a chemistry with them by playing with them for 4 years and knowing where they will be on offense...as well as Rondo passing up scoring opportunities for himself. Just yesterday, Rondo stole the ball and had a clear lane to the basket with no one near him...he instead waits for Ray Allen to catch up and passes the ball to him.

He's saying best all around, Rose is playing really well can't argue that but from a general standpoint there isn't really a thing CP3 and D Will do bad

I agree...I just don't see how they are FAR and AWAY better.

[cubsball899]

Re: Which is the better stat line of these PGs

if i a player is out with an injury (i.e. NOT PLAYING) how can he possibly be an elite player?

if my memory is correct... they were the 1 or 2 seed the one year right? and they lost to san antonio in the first round?

i don't want to sound like i'm just hating... chris paul is definitely a top 5 point guard and probably top 3, to say he is "far and away better" is implying that he is an elite PLAYER not just an elite point guard... chris paul is NOT an elite player...

maybe semantics... but if you call chris paul an elite player you have to invent a new word for a guy like Lebron...

Deron Williams to me is an elite player because he just flat out does what his team needs to win, he'll either go for 30 points or like last night dish out 15 assists, he makes his team much better, (paul millsap, cj miles..)

Lebron is an elite player because he does what his team needs him to do to win and makes his teammates better (look at cleveland now without him lol).

kobe is an elite player because he has proven countless times that on the biggest stage when its win or go home, you cannot stop him from doing his thing.

dwight howard is an elite player because he makes opposing teams change how they play because of his defensive presence inside

also, all of those players have been doing their thing consistently for years



you gonna put chris paul in that category? guys like Rose and Durant APPEAR to be on their way to joining that category, at this point Durant is just a scorer and hasn't shown he can do it in the playoffs yet, and Rose is still too inconsistent. i can't put Carmelo up there because like Durant he is just a scorer, and hasn't shown he can do it at that level in the playoffs...


you can agree to disagree with me if you want, but you won't be convincing me that chris paul is an elite PLAYER. and i really don't care if my opinion isn't a popular one.

edit: wade is probably an elite PLAYER as well, guess lebron is just overshadowing him in my mind

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

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lol all I'm saying is if averaging 14 apg was much easier than people are making it out to be, why aren't more point guards (who have a good supporting cast) getting numbers like Rondo?

Carlos Arroyo, Raymond Felton and Jameer Nelson should be averaging at least 10-11 apg.

[BATMON]

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Rondo is Elite to me.

And Wade is Elite as well. Dude has a ring all those other dudes dont and he was integral to getting it.