Which is the better stat line of these PGs

[BATMON]

Re: Which is the better stat line of these PGs

lol all I'm saying is if averaging 14 apg was much easier than people are making it out to be, why aren't more point guards (who have a good supporting cast) getting numbers like Rondo?

Carlos Arroyo, Raymond Felton and Jameer Nelson should be averaging at least 10-11 apg.

Arroyo doesnt handle the ball like a regular PG.
Felton only has STAT.
Jameer isnt a very good distributer and shouldnt even be in this convo. Skip to My Lou is the PG that lead Orlando to the Finals, to only have upper management force a rehabbing Nelson into the lineup.

[Jukeman]

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lol all I'm saying is if averaging 14 apg was much easier than people are making it out to be, why aren't more point guards (who have a good supporting cast) getting numbers like Rondo?

Carlos Arroyo, Raymond Felton and Jameer Nelson should be averaging at least 10-11 apg.

Rajon Rondo is the only PG to play with multiple HOF'ers

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

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Rajon Rondo is the only PG to play with multiple HOF'ers

LeBron, Wade and Bosh = Arroyo's cast

Richardson, Dwight, Hedo = Jameer's cast

Amare, Chandler, Landry Fields, Danilo = Felton's cast

I understand these guys aren't HOF's (Wade and LeBron might be in the future) but they are all decent/good finishers who can make a point guard look real good.

[Po Pimp]

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if i a player is out with an injury (i.e. NOT PLAYING) how can he possibly be an elite player?

if my memory is correct... they were the 1 or 2 seed the one year right? and they lost to san antonio in the first round?

i don't want to sound like i'm just hating... chris paul is definitely a top 5 point guard and probably top 3, to say he is "far and away better" is implying that he is an elite PLAYER not just an elite point guard... chris paul is NOT an elite player...

maybe semantics... but if you call chris paul an elite player you have to invent a new word for a guy like Lebron...

Deron Williams to me is an elite player because he just flat out does what his team needs to win, he'll either go for 30 points or like last night dish out 15 assists, he makes his team much better, (paul millsap, cj miles..)

Lebron is an elite player because he does what his team needs him to do to win and makes his teammates better (look at cleveland now without him lol).

kobe is an elite player because he has proven countless times that on the biggest stage when its win or go home, you cannot stop him from doing his thing.

dwight howard is an elite player because he makes opposing teams change how they play because of his defensive presence inside

also, all of those players have been doing their thing consistently for years



you gonna put chris paul in that category? guys like Rose and Durant APPEAR to be on their way to joining that category, at this point Durant is just a scorer and hasn't shown he can do it in the playoffs yet, and Rose is still too inconsistent. i can't put Carmelo up there because like Durant he is just a scorer, and hasn't shown he can do it at that level in the playoffs...


you can agree to disagree with me if you want, but you won't be convincing me that chris paul is an elite PLAYER. and i really don't care if my opinion isn't a popular one.

edit: wade is probably an elite PLAYER as well, guess lebron is just overshadowing him in my mind

Chris Paul is definitely an elite player. This season he hasn't been shooting for whatever reason, but he gives you points, assists, steals, rebounds...he does it all with next to little help.

I sort of agree with you in regards to Kevin Durant only because he didn't shown up in the playoffs, and if he isn't scoring, he isn't really affecting the game other than drawing double teams and opening up opportunities for his team. Kevin Durant is an elite scorer.

Derrick Rose is elite. Arguably the most unguardable player in the league, a great playmaker...and where would the Bulls be without him? Boozer has missed games, Noah has missed games....but the Bulls remain with the 6-7th best record in the league because of Rose alone. He's also shown he's clutch and a playoff performer.

lol all I'm saying is if averaging 14 apg was much easier than people are making it out to be, why aren't more point guards (who have a good supporting cast) getting numbers like Rondo?

Carlos Arroyo, Raymond Felton and Jameer Nelson should be averaging at least 10-11 apg.

Rondo passes up scoring opportunities to get his assists up. I've seen multiple times, him passing up a wide open layup just to get an assist.

Rondo is Elite to me.

And Wade is Elite as well. Dude has a ring all those other dudes dont and he was integral to getting it.

Rondo isn't elite to me because he's a liability on offense in the 4th quarter of a close game. You can play off him, and he really doesn't want to shoot, and he doesn't want to get fouled either because he can't hit free throws.

LeBron, Wade and Bosh = Arroyo's cast

Richardson, Dwight, Hedo = Jameer's cast

Amare, Chandler, Landry Fields, Danilo = Felton's cast

I understand these guys aren't HOF's (Wade and LeBron might be in the future) but they are all decent/good finishers who can make a point guard look real good.

Arroyo is not handling the ball with Wade and Bron there.

Felton's cast is not as good as Boston's...but Felton has had multiple games of 15 assists this year due to NY's spacing, D'Antoni's style, and Amare being there.

Nelson, like someone said is more of a scorer than a distributor.

[da ThRONe]

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CP3 is a top 5 players not just a top 5 PG. Matter fact I would argue CP3,D Wade and Kobe are all tied for 2nd best player in the league behind LeBron.

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

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Rondo is not a liability on offense in the 4th quarter, Po Pimp. You must not have watched BOS/SAS

[BATMON]

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How can Rondo be a liability on offense if he's running the offense successfully?

Just because he isnt a Deron,Paul,Nash, Rose,etc, doesnt diminsh his impact.

In the clutch, he should only be looking to score if the 3 HOF are shut down.

I can see where his offense isnt on the other PGs level night in and night out, but ive seen him do his thang in clutch situations IN THE FINALS that the other PGs havent.

[da ThRONe]

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How can Rondo be a liability on offense if he's running the offense successfully?

Just because he isnt a Deron,Paul,Nash, Rose,etc, doesnt diminsh his impact.

In the clutch, he should only be looking to score if the 3 HOF are shut down.

I can see where his offense isnt on the other PGs level night in and night out, but ive seen him do his thang in clutch situations IN THE FINALS that the other PGs havent.

I was with you until the bolded statement. 1st no PG on that list has been to the Finals. 2nd There is nothing Rondo can do that Paul can't do. Or Williams for that matter.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I was with you until the bolded statement. 1st no PG on that list has been to the Finals. 2nd There is nothing Rondo can do that Paul can't do. Or Williams for that matter.

I agree with you on this with the only exception being that Rondo probably has a little more leaping ability than Williams and maybe a better defender too. But Williams can use his body to punish smaller, skinnier PGs which is something Rondo definitely can't do and he can stretch the floor with his shot.

Rondo isn't nearly as bad a shooter as he was a few years ago. He's knocking down the open mid-range jumpers now. 3 Point Range is still a no-no though lol.

[Moses Shuttlesworth]

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Rondo nails 3's with one second left on the shot clock all the time

[BATMON]

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I was with you until the bolded statement. 1st no PG on that list has been to the Finals. 2nd There is nothing Rondo can do that Paul can't do. Or Williams for that matter.

And I factor in his performance in the Finals as a plus against the comp.
He didnt disappear or become a role player for an up and comer.
How can that be a blemish on his resume when comparing PGs?
Nash gets love for his 2 MVPs. Deron and Paul get love for their accomplishments and talents. Kidd for his triple doubles....
Am I remembering incorrectly?
Besides Kidd, they Rebound like Rondo?

[cubsball899]

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i was watching the game the other night too (the bulls game? i don't remember) where Rondo had a wide open hoop and waited for Ray Allen to come down, dished it to Allen and Allen had an easy dunk.... however i don't think that is just to get an assist... i think when a shooter like Ray Allen gets to see the ball go in the basket like that it gets his confidence up, gets him more into the game and may help him knock down a shot in the future, maybe i'm wrong, maybe rondo does it just to pad his stats, but maybe i'm right.

[Chrisksaint]

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Wait what now CP3 is just a good PG not an elite player anymore? Dude got injured but wasn't aware that changed perception that much.

Career average of 19.1 ppg 10.0ast 2.56TO 4.7reb 2.42stl 47%FG 36%3pt 85%FT...When is that not considered elite

[Jukeman]

Re: Which is the better stat line of these PGs

Wait what now CP3 is just a good PG not an elite player anymore? Dude got injured but wasn't aware that changed perception that much.

Career average of 19.1 ppg 10.0ast 2.56TO 4.7reb 2.42stl 47%FG 36%3pt 85%FT...When is that not considered elite

people get too excited about PPG

some even said Nash feel off

[Jukeman]

Re: Which is the better stat line of these PGs

i was watching the game the other night too (the bulls game? i don't remember) where Rondo had a wide open hoop and waited for Ray Allen to come down, dished it to Allen and Allen had an easy dunk.... however i don't think that is just to get an assist... i think when a shooter like Ray Allen gets to see the ball go in the basket like that it gets his confidence up, gets him more into the game and may help him knock down a shot in the future, maybe i'm wrong, maybe rondo does it just to pad his stats, but maybe i'm right.

Yea I dont have a problem with that, he's rewarding his teammates, it isnt like his throwing the ball on the backboard to pad rebounds like a few players have done lol

look @ the 4:53 mark, I have no problem with that play.

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