2010-11 NBA Regular Season MVP Discussion

[Bumi]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

Pump the brakes, man. The media might be all over Rose, but he's more than deserved it. You make it sound like the media shouldn't be talking about him as the MVP.

My argument isn't that Rose isn't deserving, as he is, merely that he isn't the most deserving.

You're telling me you expected this Bulls team to be #1 in the East, better than the Celtics and Heat? Rose's starting 2 guard is Keith Bogans, he hasn't had Boozer or Noah on the floor together for any consistent period of time until now, he's been the go-to scorer/closer on that team and has carried it on his shoulders. The Bulls only go as far as he does.

Are you under the impression that The Thunder without Durant would be anything more than a cellar dweller? This same logic applies to most teams with an MVP caliber player.

Not to mention how much he's improved his game from his first few years in the league until now. When he came in, he was a slasher that you sagged off of and dared him to shoot. Now it's worrisome to even give him space behind the 3 point line.

Well, if the award was given based on progression from one year to the next, it'd be titled the most improved player, but we already have an award covering that criteria.

Sure, Durant is great and he belongs in the conversation just like most great players, but to try and make it sound like Rose shouldn't be the MVP is nonsense.

As I said, he's deserving, but he isn't the most deserving.

KD numbers are better across the board? Their numbers are not that far off. Kd is putting up 28-7-3 while Rose is doing 25-4-8.

Yes, KD's are numbers are superior across the board. I'm also taking shooting percentages into account. Sans assist, KD's numbers are better, well, everywhere. Literally.

Nobody knows for sure how both teams will play in a different conference, both teams are playing pretty good now. Of course Kd is still in the MVP discussion, didn't "the media" anoint him the MVP favorite earlier in the season?

He should probably still be the favorite. That's my argument.

[Jasong7777]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

I think people are really over thinking this. It's Rose by a mile.

[Basketball GURU]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

"Yes, KD's are numbers are superior across the board. I'm also taking shooting percentages into account. Sans assist, KD's numbers are better, well, everywhere. Literally."

fg-46% fg-44%
ft-88% ft-85%
3pt-36% 3pt-33%
Nearly identical, slightly better superior is not the word.
Every player in the MVP discussion is deserving. Kd hasn't done anything out of the ordinary to say that he's more deserving than Dwight,Rose,Kobe, or Lebron.
Maybe last year.

[BlueNGold]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

Yes, KD's are numbers are superior across the board. I'm also taking shooting percentages into account. Sans assist, KD's numbers are better, well, everywhere. Literally.

It's not all about numbers. If that were the case, Kobe would have won when he averaged 35 PPG, but he didn't, and Jordan would have won pretty much every year he was in the league, but he didn't either.

Are you under the impression that The Thunder without Durant would be anything more than a cellar dweller? This same logic applies to most teams with an MVP caliber player.

I hate playing this game because it's ******** to try and guess how good or bad a team would be without a player, but if you really want me to answer, then IMO yes they would be more than a cellar dwellar if you took Durant and replaced him with your NBA-average SF because the supporting cast around Durant is solid and deep. Westbrook is an alpha dog and has clearly shown he can and will take over with or without Durant, so they wouldn't be like the Cavs or Raptors who lost their star player and had no one to defer to this season in key situations. I don't think they'd be a playoff team in the West, but they'd at least be fighting for an 8th seed. But like I said, it's incredibly ridiculous to be arguing this point anyways. Neither of us will be right.

Well, if the award was given based on progression from one year to the next, it'd be titled the most improved player, but we already have an award covering that criteria.

Where the hell did I say it was given solely based on progression? It isn't the most important aspect when the award is decided on, but it IS a factor. LeBron didn't win an MVP until the year he improved his defensive game, just like Kobe didn't win one until the media started deeming him a team player post-Gasol trade (which like I said I feel is BS, but that's another story).

My argument isn't that Rose isn't deserving, as he is, merely that he isn't the most deserving.

As I said, he's deserving, but he isn't the most deserving.

He should probably still be the favorite. That's my argument.

I don't know what to tell you if you don't think Rose isn't the most deserving. It's your opinion, so I won't say you're dumb for thinking otherwise, but let me ask you; when you look back on this season a few years down the road, which player are you going to remember the most, Rose and the Bulls or Durant and the Thunder?

Also let me ask, what makes Durant the MOST deserving?

[Bumi]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

I think people are really over thinking this. It's Rose by a mile.

Based on what though?

[Jasong7777]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

Based on he's been the best player in the league this year. His team is the best in the east.

[Bumi]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

"Yes, KD's are numbers are superior across the board. I'm also taking shooting percentages into account. Sans assist, KD's numbers are better, well, everywhere. Literally."

fg-46% fg-44%
ft-88% ft-85%
3pt-36% 3pt-33%
Nearly identical, slightly better superior is not the word.
Every player in the MVP discussion is deserving. Kd hasn't done anything out of the ordinary to say that he's more deserving than Dwight,Rose,Kobe, or Lebron.
Maybe last year.

You just made my point. They aren't identical. Player 1's number are better across the board.

Superior: greater in quantity or amount: superior numbers.

[Bumi]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

It's not all about numbers. If that were the case, Kobe would have won when he averaged 35 PPG, but he didn't, and Jordan would have won pretty much every year he was in the league, but he didn't either.

I personally believed Kobe deserved it when he averaged 35 a game. Jordan, in the earlier parts of his career, put up great numbers but his teams were mediocre.

I hate playing this game because it's ******** to try and guess how good or bad a team would be without a player, but if you really want me to answer, then IMO yes they would be more than a cellar dwellar if you took Durant and replaced him with your NBA-average SF because the supporting cast around Durant is solid and deep. Westbrook is an alpha dog and has clearly shown he can and will take over with or without Durant, so they wouldn't be like the Cavs or Raptors who lost their star player and had no one to defer to this season in key situations. I don't think they'd be a playoff team in the West, but they'd at least be fighting for an 8th seed. But like I said, it's incredibly ridiculous to be arguing this point anyways. Neither of us will be right.

Fair enough.

Where the hell did I say it was given solely based on progression? It isn't the most important aspect when the award is decided on, but it IS a factor. LeBron didn't win an MVP until the year he improved his defensive game, just like Kobe didn't win one until the media started deeming him a team player post-Gasol trade (which like I said I feel is BS, but that's another story).

You didn't, I was quoting a single paragraph within your post.

I don't know what to tell you if you don't think Rose isn't the most deserving. It's your opinion, so I won't say you're dumb for thinking otherwise, but let me ask you; when you look back on this season a few years down the road, which player are you going to remember the most, Rose and the Bulls or Durant and the Thunder?

Rose and the Bulls due to the media sensationalizing his season. Why? I'm not sure, perhaps because he plays in a much bigger market. *shrugs*

Also let me ask, what makes Durant the MOST deserving?

In comparison to Rose? The fact that he's put up better numbers while leading a team that's a similar caliber to Rose's Bulls.

[BlueNGold]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

Rose and the Bulls due to the media sensationalizing his season. Why? I'm not sure, perhaps because he plays in a much bigger market. *shrugs*

In comparison to Rose? The fact that he's put up better numbers while leading a team that's a similar caliber to Rose's Bulls.

Like I said, Noah and Boozer have been out for significant parts of the seeason and Rose has had to shoulder the load himself. He's barely had the luxury of playing with a Russell Westbrook that he can defer to when he isn't feeling it. He's had to "feel it" the entire season and has done just that.

Also, why is it that the media talking about Rose is some negative? Should the MVP never be talked about? And maybe they're "sensationalizing" him because he HAS been sensational.

[King_B_Mack]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

So just to be clear here. Derrick Rose is suddenly the first guy the media has "pimped" apparently for the MVP? Where's all this media sensationalizing stuff coming from anyway? I watch the national shows all the time and up until about a month ago the media wasn't pumping Derrick Rose. Hell the Bulls still don't even get the coverage of the Lakers, Heat, Celtics and now the Knicks have gotten all year so I don't see how guys are acting like Rose's MVP status has been some sort of media creation this year. This is almost as senseless as guys thinking the media was disrespecting New York cause they gave they're opinions on LeBron signing with teams other than the Knicks. So of course Chris Broussard hates the Knicks cause he reported where he was hearing LeBron was going. Now an analyst says Rose is having a great year and he's the front runner for MVP in they're opinion and that's the media sensationalizing his season? Argh..

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

Well Rose iis definitely not the first...

and I dont really believe in all the media nonsense..

but theres no question hes their darling this year LOL, just like KD and James the last two years.

Thats fine though IMO. You have a year like Rose is having, you get coverage...so what?

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

The process is still bogus because they vote for who they want to shove down your throat in any given year because they justified stiffing other players using the logic, oh he'll have plenty of time to win MVPs as if they can predict team wins/failures, injuries, etc.....

Which is part of my beef with the process.

And for the record, I have NO problem with Rose winning MVP or don't even think he's not deserving of it nor do I believe anybody has been "robbed" of one(with the exception of 2003). Just had to put this out there for the folks saying to themselves "Oh wow, look at Pack bitching about something else now" because that's not what I'm doing nor was I trying to do when I posted earlier.

All I did was post the two MAIN reasons as to why Rose will win it this year and that wasn't taking anything away from it at all. But I don't think anyone(Bulls homer or not)can disagree with that because it is what it is.

[Po Pimp]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

Instead of quoting, I will try to respond to some of the comments being made to disparage Rose as being this season's MVP.

First off, Kobe did not deserve MVP the year he averaged 35 ppg. The Lakers were the 7 SEED! Kobe took like 27 shots per game that year...of course he's gonna average 35ppg. You don't win MVP when your team is in 7th place, bottom line. Dirk could've gotten it, Wade possibly deserved it. LeBron was 2nd in voting with his team winning only 50 games...but when u look at that squad, it's a miracle they won that many.

Secondly, Rose is not the media darling. Like someone said, Rose didn't become the overwhelming favorite until they swept the Heat in the regular season and took over 2nd place. The media didn't start talking about the Bulls until like 2 weeks ago. Also, I believe Kevin Durant was the preseason MVP pick from EVERY analyst. No one expected the Bulls to be this good. I expected us to be in 2nd or 3rd place with about 55 wins, but some analysts had us battling the BUCKS for the 4th seed and pegged us to win about 47-48 games (I see u Van Gundy).

As for Kevin Durant, he is a great player no doubt, but he relies too much on his jumper. He can't get to any spot on the court like Rose. Rose is unguardable because no one can stay in front of him, he's too fast and strong for most PGs, and he added a jumper this year. KD isn't unguardable, but he's a difficult matchup due to his height and jumper. KD isn't a threat to put the ball on the floor. You make that man live by his jumper because he's too thin to play physical. He's just gifted enough to make tough shots, but if his shot is off, the Thunder struggle. Also, KD has missed a few games for the Thunder this year, and while KD is the man on that squad, Russell Westbrook held down the fort when he was gone.

Lastly, this Western Conference superiority is getting old. The Bulls are 21-7 against the Western Conference with wins over all the elite teams (seeing as though the Eastern Conference plays the West twice, it's safe to say no team in the West has swept the Bulls).

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

Based on what though?

Based on what? Really? You mean page after page of reasoning isn't enough for you?

Everyone talked about Miami, Boston, and Orlando. Guess who's #1 in the East right now? Everyone made a big deal about Chicago "missing out" on all the "big" free agents. Guess what? It doesn't matter. Rose said it doesn't matter if we get another "superstar", because he's gonna have the drive and passion to make his team the best. The dude controls the game, is explosive, has developed into one of the best closers in the game, and has elevated the team to the best record in the East, with his second and third best players Boozer and Noah missing significant amounts of time over the course of the season.

The dude is a man. Bottom line. And his numbers aren't too damn shabby either.

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Re: Who is your NBA MVP as of right now?

I dont think there are many here who are going against Rose for MVP, we all for the most part support it.

In the middle of discussing the process someone felt no one needed to make a comment about whether they agree with it or not, and called it moaning and complaining which is a major no no IMO because 1 its apart of the discussion topic and 2 its not against the TOS.

I dont see as much endorsement for anyone like Dwight, but at this point I think its too late for him to overtake #1...other than that there is really no clear cut contendor, thats that close to what Rose has accomplished this season