3/28 - 4/3 Game Discussion Thread

[TheMatrix31]

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It is his account. He follows me too. Awesome.

And GOOD FOR HIM. Guaranteed his teammates pick up that fine if he's fined.

[ex carrabba fan]

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It's probably never a good idea to say that about a boss on the internet. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read a pro athlete [he's pro right?] say.

What a tool.

[TheMatrix31]

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It's probably never a good idea to say that about a boss on the internet. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read a pro athlete [he's pro right?] say.

What a tool.

Yeah, yeah.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Really though. Especially when you consider the context

A. Dude is trying to break through into the league I'm guessing since the only reason we know his name is because of this incident

and

B. Stern is a known mafia style commish

Dude dropped the ball on that one

[King_B_Mack]

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It's probably never a good idea to say that about a boss on the internet. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read a pro athlete [he's pro right?] say.

What a tool.

I wouldn't call him a tool exactly. However that is just not smart at all. Does he not know who David Stern is? He will be lucky to see time in the league ever again fooling around with Don Sternleone

[TheMatrix31]

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Really though. Especially when you consider the context

A. Dude is trying to break through into the league I'm guessing since the only reason we know his name is because of this incident

and

B. Stern is a known mafia style commish

Dude dropped the ball on that one

I've known his name for a while....and the rest of the league will too. Dude is legit.

But again I say, yeah yeah. I don't give a **** what the guy says. Ref does what he does in that situation and he deserves to get axed. Punk shouldn't even have a job to begin with. Good on anyone who speaks their mind regarding the NBA and their BULL****.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Yeah I'll be waiting to hear his name Matrix. Good that you knew his name though considering he plays for the Suns haha.

I wouldn't call him a tool exactly. However that is just not smart at all. Does he not know who David Stern is? He will be lucky to see time in the league ever again fooling around with Don Sternleone

Publicly saying you hope your boss dies? That's pretty toolish.

Risking hundreds of thousands of dollars and your career to potentially make millions? That's pretty toolish.

At the very least he had an idiot moment [won't call him an idiot since we have no clue as to who he is]

You got ejected, deal with it kid. Or at the very least don't say you hope your boss dies.

[TheMatrix31]

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At the very least he had an idiot moment [won't call him an idiot since we have no clue as to who he is]

Goodness. Stop being so ****ing condescending.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Goodness. Stop being so ****ing condescending.

Chill bro, I wasn't. We literally don't know who the kid is. Maybe you do, but the rest of America doesn't. So I didn't want to call him a JR Smith or anything like that.

[TheMatrix31]

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Chill bro, I wasn't. We literally don't know who the kid is. Maybe you do, but the rest of America doesn't. So I didn't want to call him a JR Smith or anything like that.

You said it four times already. We get it, you don't know who he is, and this dumb comment is the only way anyone will ever hear this scrub's name.

[ex carrabba fan]

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You said it four times already. We get it, you don't know who he is, and this dumb comment is the only way anyone will ever hear this scrub's name.

Lol, ok you're the one who's cursing and bringing it up again. I was just responding to your claim.

[wwharton]

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Oh don't get me wrong I know dude ain't doing nothing. I'm just talking about how wwharton was saying that we don't know what's being done and the refs having training camps over the summer and all this stuff. The kind of issues these NBA refs have a training camp isn't going to fix. These guys need to start losing big time cash, getting shipped to the D-League for extended periods of time or just flat out fired to get the message through to them. Instead the Joey Crawfords of the world are here calling games year after year after year. The same repeated screwups and issues of trying to inject themselves into the spotlight and allowing they're egos to blow up and nothing is being done to stop it because it's continuing to happen from the same dudes.

Ha, for the record maybe you didn't understand that I'm not against the general thought of there being a problem with refs. I look at it more as an overall issue actually. Players go WAY overboard when talking to refs. That's why they started with the quick techs but it's still subjective so instead of it putting a muzzle on the players, it creates more confusion.

None of this means that there is no system in place though, which is what I was saying. Refs suck at all levels, trust me on that. They're human, it's a fast paced game and almost every call is based on individual interpretation of the rules. It's like having a consistent strike zone across the league but for EVERY call. It will never be where people want it to be.

But the trash talk to AND from the refs is ridiculous and I don't think you can fix one and not the other... and not sure how you can fix both. So, in short, I agree with you for the most part, but still believe the refs are evaluated and checked.

Probably not the best thread to ask the question, but what exactly do you think allowing coaches and players talk bad about the refs to the media will do to help any of this?

[TheMatrix31]

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http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/3/31/2082495/nba-referee-little-bitch

Yeah we'll see if anything comes out of this "investigation"....lol

[King_B_Mack]

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Ha, for the record maybe you didn't understand that I'm not against the general thought of there being a problem with refs. I look at it more as an overall issue actually. Players go WAY overboard when talking to refs. That's why they started with the quick techs but it's still subjective so instead of it putting a muzzle on the players, it creates more confusion.

None of this means that there is no system in place though, which is what I was saying. Refs suck at all levels, trust me on that. They're human, it's a fast paced game and almost every call is based on individual interpretation of the rules. It's like having a consistent strike zone across the league but for EVERY call. It will never be where people want it to be.

But the trash talk to AND from the refs is ridiculous and I don't think you can fix one and not the other... and not sure how you can fix both. So, in short, I agree with you for the most part, but still believe the refs are evaluated and checked.

Probably not the best thread to ask the question, but what exactly do you think allowing coaches and players talk bad about the refs to the media will do to help any of this?

I see what you're saying though I have to say, I don't agree with players going overboard and why the quick tech stuff started. That started more because people were tired of seeing guys complaining and what not after every single whistle. I wouldn't consider that going overboard with the refs. Maybe a little annoying, but they weren't crossing any lines. Not in my eyes anyway.

As for how it would help. I don't think it will really help much to make the refs any better, but I think the guys need to be able to vent and voice they're frustrations as opposed to getting hit with fines and suspensions repeatedly whenever they bring up the refs and not follow it up with how much they wanna have they're babies as Stern seems to think they should only be verbalized about.

The league may have some system in place but clearly it's not doing anything. My biggest beef as I've always maintained isn't even about blowing calls. They're humans, the game is quick, mistakes will be made. However it's the attitudes and the way they go about calling the games that piss me off. It's the fact that I can look at a ref look right at a blatant rule violation and not blow a whistle in the first quarter, look right at the same type of violation in the fourth quarter or hell a lot of times on the next possesion or two of that same first quarter and suddenly he calls it. That kind of crap is unnacceptable and when I watch NBA games year after year after year and the same refs are making that same mistake over and over again tells me that WHATEVER system (if any) that's in place for improving the refs just is not working and Stern continues to be a douche and act like everything is perfect when I hear him talk about the refs, if he doesn't cop an attitude with the interviewer and start giving him short answers first.

[wwharton]

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I see what you're saying though I have to say, I don't agree with players going overboard and why the quick tech stuff started. That started more because people were tired of seeing guys complaining and what not after every single whistle. I wouldn't consider that going overboard with the refs. Maybe a little annoying, but they weren't crossing any lines. Not in my eyes anyway.

As for how it would help. I don't think it will really help much to make the refs any better, but I think the guys need to be able to vent and voice they're frustrations as opposed to getting hit with fines and suspensions repeatedly whenever they bring up the refs and not follow it up with how much they wanna have they're babies as Stern seems to think they should only be verbalized about.

The league may have some system in place but clearly it's not doing anything. My biggest beef as I've always maintained isn't even about blowing calls. They're humans, the game is quick, mistakes will be made. However it's the attitudes and the way they go about calling the games that piss me off. It's the fact that I can look at a ref look right at a blatant rule violation and not blow a whistle in the first quarter, look right at the same type of violation in the fourth quarter or hell a lot of times on the next possesion or two of that same first quarter and suddenly he calls it. That kind of crap is unnacceptable and when I watch NBA games year after year after year and the same refs are making that same mistake over and over again tells me that WHATEVER system (if any) that's in place for improving the refs just is not working and Stern continues to be a douche and act like everything is perfect when I hear him talk about the refs, if he doesn't cop an attitude with the interviewer and start giving him short answers first.

You don't consider complaining after every whistle as going overboard? I can't agree with that. And beyond that, players CLEARLY show up the refs. Even today, they still do because it happens so much that we say there are too many techs now and that's with letting a lot of crap go.

There is absolutely no sport that I know of (can't speak on anything outside of basketball, football and baseball but educated guess about others) that allows players/coaches to talk about officiating to the media. That's how it is, and imo how it should be. It serves no purpose. Whether or not they're allowed to voice complaints to the league is unknown but I'd be SHOCKED if they weren't. How effective is it? That's worth complaining about... but letting people "vent" is definitely not the solution.

The style of the game is significant. Alot of NFL rules have changed to make it very clear what should and shouldn't be called. The subjective calls that still exist are the ones that we all argue about every day. Human interpretation of anything is a problem and unfortunately the nature of basketball leaves A LOT to individual judgment.

You have a legit beef with that, but it's something that pretty much can't be changed. It will always be a problem. The attitudes? That's a different issue, but again it's an issue on both sides. Everyone involved feel more entitled to act a fool than they should be. That also will never change. After all, this is entertainment... guess it's just harder for some to check when/how they should be animated or over the top and when they shouldn't.