In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I don't think its debatable Pippen was a bonafide superstar and is now a Hall of Famer.

The Pistons had no superstar,but 5star starters
Ginobli and Parker played at a very high level in he playoffs. If Boozed and Noah can play like the Spurs two then they have a chance.

Pippen is a HOFer and considered a top50 player alltime.

I won't derail the topic, but I'll just agree to disagree about Pippen. Like I said, he was a lot better than just a role player, and he was probably a star player, but I wouldn't put him on the SUPERstar level personally.

Regarding the Pistons, there's no way you really think Ben Wallace and Tayshaun Prince were star players. It was team full of role players. Hamilton was good coming off of screens. Wallace was good defensively. Rasheed, Billups, and Tayshaun all did a little bit of everything. I don't really see any of them as being star players at that time, maybe Rasheed or Chauncey if any of them, but definitely no superstars and definitely not 5 stars.

Regarding the Spurs, Ginobli didn't even score 10 a game in the playoffs back on the 02-03 team. Parker averaged 14.7 and 3.5 in the playoffs. Neither of them were star players yet. They were just solid role players. Duncan carried that team, averaging 24.7 and 15.4.

[King_B_Mack]

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He was in the Playoffs with this team last year?

What makes you transfer the same performances w/ Utah and Cleveland into Chicago?

LeBron was in the playoffs with this Heat team last year?

What makes you transfer the same performances w/ Cleveland into Miami?

See what I did there? Why are we to believe the Heat will do anything in the playoffs? A whole lot of things are being overstated and overdone in this thread.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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LeBron was in the playoffs with this Heat team last year?

What makes you transfer the same performances w/ Cleveland into Miami?

See what I did there? Why are we to believe the Heat will do anything in the playoffs? A whole lot of things are being overstated and overdone in this thread.

Yeah I'm with you on that point. Boozer's stepped it up in the playoffs pretty much every year he's made it. He'll be fine in Chicago. Rebounds might be a little lower with a healthy Noah though.

[BATMON]

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LeBron was in the playoffs with this Heat team last year?

What makes you transfer the same performances w/ Cleveland into Miami?

See what I did there? Why are we to believe the Heat will do anything in the playoffs? A whole lot of things are being overstated and overdone in this thread.

This New Heat team is also untested as a TEAM UNIT in the Playoffs.

For the record I think the Bulls CAN beat the Heat, and really shouldnt be in the discussion.

The road leads through Boston.

Alot of things are being understated and overlooked.

[BATMON]

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How is Ben Wallace not a STAR?



Defensive Player of The Year. He was arguably the face of that Pistons team and was all over the media when they were winning.

How much did the Bulls pay him? 16 Million is Role Player Money?

Rasheed Wallace was a STAR when he left Portland for Detroit.

[King_B_Mack]

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This New Heat team is also untested as a TEAM UNIT in the Playoffs.

For the record I think the Bulls CAN beat the Heat, and really shouldnt be in the discussion.

The road leads through Boston.

Alot of things are being understated and overlooked.

Personally I don't think Boston is done, but they're aura of invincibility went out the window when they traded Perkins and Shaq needed wheels to get to the locker room a couple days ago. Boston has a different TEAM UNIT going into these playoffs with no homecourt advantage it's looking like, but they're the team to beat while everyone else basically has no shot cause they haven't fulfilled some mystical goal of x amount of playoff wins together?

[BATMON]

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Personally I don't think Boston is done, but they're aura of invincibility went out the window when they traded Perkins and Shaq needed wheels to get to the locker room a couple days ago. Boston has a different TEAM UNIT going into these playoffs with no homecourt advantage it's looking like, but they're the team to beat while everyone else basically has no shot cause they haven't fulfilled some mystical goal of x amount of playoff wins together?

The EC Raod leads through Boston regardless of the tweaked UNIT. The Ring leads through Los Angeles. Both teams cores havent changed.
Perkins is a loss but they didnt GUT their team.

The Bulls added Boozer this year correct?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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How is Ben Wallace not a STAR?



Defensive Player of The Year. He was arguably the face of that Pistons team and was all over the media when they were winning.

How much did the Bulls pay him? 16 Million is Role Player Money?

Rasheed Wallace was a STAR when he left Portland for Detroit.

There's a difference between a guy being popular and a guy being a star. You make it sound like Brady Quinn is a star for being in all those protein commercials.

Almost everybody agrees the contract Ben Wallace got was absolutely a bonehead decision. He was an excellent role player (his role being his defense), just like Dennis Rodman. And yes, I know Rodman is now a hall of famer, but the dude was hardly a star player. He, like Ben Wallace, was an amazing defender and an amazing role player, and Rodman was a key cog to the Bulls dynasty.

Regarding Rasheed, I agreed that if you think the Pistons had a star player, it was either him or Chauncey, but they're borderline stars. I mean, Rasheed averaged 13-15 points per game and about 7 rebounds per game in Detroit. That doesn't sound like a star player to me. And neither does Ben Wallace's 6-7 points per game. Both were key cogs to the Piston's championship team, and Rasheed was probably their best scorer (as far as creating for himself), but neither were star players in my opinion, and Ben definitely wasn't.

[BATMON]

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There's a difference between a guy being popular and a guy being a star. You make it sound like Brady Quinn is a star for being in all those protein commercials.

Almost everybody agrees the contract Ben Wallace got was absolutely a bonehead decision. He was an excellent role player (his role being his defense), just like Dennis Rodman. And yes, I know Rodman is now a hall of famer, but the dude was hardly a star player. He, like Ben Wallace, was an amazing defender and an amazing role player, and Rodman was a key cog to the Bulls dynasty.

Regarding Rasheed, I agreed that if you think the Pistons had a star player, it was either him or Chauncey, but they're borderline stars. I mean, Rasheed averaged 13-15 points per game and about 7 rebounds per game in Detroit. That doesn't sound like a star player to me. And neither does Ben Wallace's 6-7 points per game. Both were key cogs to the Piston's championship team, and Rasheed was probably their best scorer (as far as creating for himself), but neither were star players in my opinion, and Ben definitely wasn't.

Is Mutombo a STAR?

Is Kevin Love a STAR?

Can a 4 time all star be just a a role player?

Scoring is what makes one a star?

[King_B_Mack]

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Right now the EC Road doesn't lead through Boston for Chicago. It does for Miami cause that's they're potential second round matchup provided they get out of the first round. The Bulls may not even have to see Boston in the postseason if Boston can't get by the Heat. LA still has to make it out of the West. Will they? More than likely. I'm not even worried about the West right now cause the Bulls need to get out of the East first. Don't get me wrong there is no easy road to the Finals for anybody, but the Bulls in my opinion will beat the Heat in a seven game series and they are very capable of beating the Celtics. Half they're battle is won because they play defense, they play damn good defense and in the playoffs that's a large chunk of the requirements.

As long as Luol Deng is healthy he'll be fine come playoff time. He did a pretty good job in the playoffs last year despite playing with a hamstring injury. They've got a post presence and defense down there as well. The Bulls will be fine. Maybe they'll need one more piece to win it all, but if they were to do it this year, it wouldn't surprise me at all after watching this team all year.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Is Mutombo a STAR?

Is Kevin Love a STAR?

Can a 4 time all star be just a a role player?

Scoring is what makes one a star?

Mutombo vs. Wallace: Mutombo was actually a scoring threat. He shot around 70% from the free throw line scored double digits every year until he was 35, while also DOMINATING the boards and blocked shots. He rebounded the ball just as well as Wallace, while blocking more shots and scoring 2 to 3 times more than Wallace, so I think it's pretty dumb to compare the two. Kevin Love is dominating the boards just like Wallace did while also scoring over 20 a game. It's only his 3rd year, so I think it's a little early to declare him a definitive star player, but this year he has certainly played like one.

Scoring doesn't make a player a star, but being able to contribute in more than one way does. Wallace was a good defender/rebounder. That was it.

[BATMON]

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Mutombo vs. Wallace: Mutombo was actually a scoring threat. He shot around 70% from the free throw line scored double digits every year until he was 35, while also DOMINATING the boards and blocked shots. He rebounded the ball just as well as Wallace, while blocking more shots and scoring 2 to 3 times more than Wallace, so I think it's pretty dumb to compare the two. Kevin Love is dominating the boards just like Wallace did while also scoring over 20 a game. It's only his 3rd year, so I think it's a little early to declare him a definitive star player, but this year he has certainly played like one.

Scoring doesn't make a player a star, but being able to contribute in more than one way does. Wallace was a good defender/rebounder. That was it.

Well have to agree to disagree.

Is boozer a star?

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Well have to agree to disagree.

Is boozer a star?

I would say so considering he's been the go-to post man on every team he's played for, not to mention he's averaged over 20 and 10 in the playoffs.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Mutombo vs. Wallace: Mutombo was actually a scoring threat. He shot around 70% from the free throw line scored double digits every year until he was 35, while also DOMINATING the boards and blocked shots. He rebounded the ball just as well as Wallace, while blocking more shots and scoring 2 to 3 times more than Wallace, so I think it's pretty dumb to compare the two. Kevin Love is dominating the boards just like Wallace did while also scoring over 20 a game. It's only his 3rd year, so I think it's a little early to declare him a definitive star player, but this year he has certainly played like one.

Scoring doesn't make a player a star, but being able to contribute in more than one way does. Wallace was a good defender/rebounder. That was it.

Exactly.

Anyone that thinks just scoring makes you a star believes that guys like Nick Young and Jamal Crawford are "stars".

But like it's been said, the word "star" and even "superstar" gets thrown around way too often nowadays and too many times we label players "Superstars" who shouldn't even be named as one in the first place.

[TheMatrix31]

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Regular season yes. It's why they're #1 in the east right now, but the playoffs are less about bench production and more about core players.

No they're not. The playoffs are about which guys outside of the "core" step up and make the difference.