In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

[Dice]

Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

Ive seen too many higher seeds get knocked to put any weight on thr regualer season.

OK. Let's start again. Here is a breakdown of the last 25 years of the NBA of where the number one seeds ended. So that's a possible 50 teams:

First Round Loss: 3 (6%)
Second Round Loss: 4 (8%)
Conference Championship Loss: 15 (30%)
NBA Finals Loss: 12 (24%)
Winning the championship: 16 (32%) <---Sorry, I made a mistake on my last post. It was only 16.

So where is this 'too many higher seeds get knocked' coming from? Only 7 number one seeds out of 50 are knocked out of the playoffs before the Conference Championship. That's not a lot. So according to the numbers, the regular season does have something to do with what's going to happen in the playoffs. This is not college basketball where you rarely see the number one rated team win the title. In the pros, typically the team with the best record normally wins the championship. Not all the time, but more times than not.

[BATMON]

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OK. Let's start again. Here is a breakdown of the last 25 years of the NBA of where the number one seeds ended. So that's a possible 50 teams:

First Round Loss: 3 (6%)
Second Round Loss: 4 (8%)
Conference Championship Loss: 15 (30%)
NBA Finals Loss: 12 (24%)
Winning the championship: 16 (32%) <---Sorry, I made a mistake on my last post. It was only 16.

So where is this 'too many higher seeds get knocked' coming from? Only 7 number one seeds out of 50 are knocked out of the playoffs before the Conference Championship. That's not a lot. So according to the numbers, the regular season does have something to do with what's going to happen in the playoffs. This is not college basketball where you rarely see the number one rated team win the title. In the pros, typically the team with the best record normally wins the championship. Not all the time, but more times than not.

In the deciding Game Six of the Eastern Conference finals, Boston built a 21-point first-half lead and never let up, eliminating the Orlando Magic from the playoffs with a convincing 96-84 triumph to dethrone the 2009 Eastern Conference champions.
Thanks in large part to Paul Pierce (31 points, 13 rebounds), Ray Allen (20 points, 4 rebounds), Rajon Rondo (14 points, 6 assists), and Nate Robinson (13 points), the Celtics will now have a chance to fill in the blank banner that they hung up next to their 17 other NBA championship banners inside their practice facility in Waltham.
The Celtics became just the sixth team seeded fourth or lower since the 1976-77 NBA-ABA merger to reach the NBA Finals with win.

whatever....................

[TheMatrix31]

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So you pick one instance after he just gave you a whole breakdown of the last 25 years of #1 seeds?

And you should read the last sentence of the passage you responded with, because that goes to show that a Top 3 seed in the NBA is gold. Whether you like to say it or not, seeding (and therefore, the regular season) matters.

[King_B_Mack]

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So NBATv is showing the entire seven game Boston-Chicago series today. Game one is wrapping up right now with Rose's 36 point playoff debut. Some guys need to watch this series again.

[Dice]

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So you pick one instance after he just gave you a whole breakdown of the last 25 years of #1 seeds?

And you should read the last sentence of the passage you responded with, because that goes to show that a Top 3 seed in the NBA is gold. Whether you like to say it or not, seeding (and therefore, the regular season) matters.

And speaking of top-3 seed in a conference, ONLY ONE team in the last 25 years has won the NBA championship that was below 3rd in their respective conference and that was the 95 Houston Rockets(6th Seed).

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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And speaking of top-3 seed in a conference, ONLY ONE team in the last 25 years has won the NBA championship that was below 3rd in their respective conference and that was the 95 Houston Rockets(6th Seed).

That's one too many times that the top teams haven't come through...

[BATMON]

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If 8s can rarely upset 1s, 7s can upset 2s, 6 can upset 3s, and 5s over 4s, I cant wrap my mind around the idea that Playoff seeding guarantees anything. Anything can happen.

http://www.nba.com/playoffs2007/news/upsets_070503.html

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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If 8s can rarely upset 1s, 7s can upset 2s, 6 can upset 3s, and 5s over 4s, I cant wrap my mind around the idea that Playoff seeding guarantees anything. Anything can happen.

http://www.nba.com/playoffs2007/news/upsets_070503.html

I don't think anyone said that if you have a 1 seed you're guarenteed to win the championship but I could be wrong. You said the regular season "don't mean ****". Dice provided statistics that show that the regular season obviously means something considering the teams that do the best in the regular season win the championship almost 70% of the time.

[BATMON]

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I don't think anyone said that if you have a 1 seed you're guarenteed to win the championship but I could be wrong. You said the regular season "don't mean ****". Dice provided statistics that show that the regular season obviously means something considering the teams that do the best in the regular season win the championship almost 70% of the time.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=playoffupsets

[Muzyk23]

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at this thread

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=playoffupsets

Ok, so there's been 26 seasons since 1984.

That mean's there's been 390 playoff series since 1984 and there's been 29 "big" upsets. So you see a "big" upset about 7% of the time... You really think 7% is enough to say the regular season has absolutely nothing to do with the playoffs?

Edit: Moreover, since they changed the first round to a best of 7 series after the 02-03 season, there has been 4 "big" upsets in 105 series. That's about 3% of the time.

[Dice]

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Ok, so there's been 26 seasons since 1984.

That mean's there's been 390 playoff series since 1984 and there's been 29 "big" upsets. So you see a "big" upset about 7% of the time... You really think 7% is enough to say the regular season has absolutely nothing to do with the playoffs?

Edit: Moreover, since they changed the first round to a best of 7 series after the 02-03 season, there has been 4 "big" upsets in 105 series. That's about 3% of the time.

I think your fighting a lost cause. Not because your right BUT he's not listening or taking into account the data I provided. We both told him that things happen in the playoffs sometimes BUT in most cases the cream will rise to the top. I wouldn't waste my time. If he wants to believe that 7% is greater than 93%, then let him enjoy.

We might as well let Cleveland in the playoffs since they got an equal shot at winning the championship as anybody else.

[cubsball899]

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i dunno, danny granger thinks they can beat the bulls, and said publicly that they wanted to play the bulls instead of the celtics lol

batmon are you mad that folks in indiana's arena were chanting MVP for Rose this year?

[BATMON]

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i dunno, danny granger thinks they can beat the bulls, and said publicly that they wanted to play the bulls instead of the celtics lol

batmon are you mad that folks in indiana's arena were chanting MVP for Rose this year?

Not at all, The Pacers won that last game.

Granger and them Matchup better w/ the Bulls, so I understand their wanting to face Chicago.

[Dice]

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Don't let the last game fool you. The first 3 games was complete domination by the Bulls. Won those games by an average margin of 17 points. And that last game should have been done in regulation. The Pacers should have beaten the Bulls by 15 points. Derrick Rose provided a MVP caliber performance down the stretch to single-handily carry the Bulls into overtime. The only reason the Pacers won that game was because Derrick Rose was the only Bull that showed up that night. That's not going to happen for four-out-of-seven games against the Pacers.