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  • Yeah...THAT Guy
    Once in a Lifetime Memory
    • Dec 2006
    • 17294

    #136
    Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

    Originally posted by BATMON
    Boozer is a Star and Wallace was a Star who has a better resume than Boozer.

    Points and Rebounds
    Blocks, Rebounds and Defense.

    Wallace was the heart of that Championship squad w/ just DEFENSE.

    Points wins Championships!!!!!!!
    Blocks and rebounding are a part of defense, and Boozer has rebounded almost as well as Wallace while scoring almost 3 times more.

    There was no "heart of the championship squad". The Pistons were just an extremely well put together team. Everyone knew their role and played their roles very well. During those few years, the Pistons were one of, if not my favorite team in the league. They were the definition of TEAM. They were each the heart of that team.

    Originally posted by BATMON
    Defense is Basketball last time I checked.
    I'm not really sure what you mean here. I don't think I ever said defense isn't part of basketball? Unless you're saying that offense isn't a part of basketball and that the only thing in basketball is defense?
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    • ProfessaPackMan
      Bamma
      • Mar 2008
      • 63852

      #137
      Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

      Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
      For 4-5 years in his prime, I would call him a defensive star. Tough to distinguish the true definition of a "star".

      But the guy did make 4 All-Star teams, won DPOY 4 times, and made All-D team 5 times and All-D 2nd team once.

      He was basically the best garbage man you could imagine. So I'm not exactly sure what to categorize him as. But in his prime he was an animal. Basically Kendrick Perkins x100.
      I like this comparison.

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      • BATMON
        Banned
        • Oct 2010
        • 1445

        #138
        Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

        "Chauncey Billups is a Role Player"

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        • Yeah...THAT Guy
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          • Dec 2006
          • 17294

          #139
          Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

          Originally posted by BATMON
          "Chauncey Billups is a Role Player"
          You're not really going to win arguments with posts like this and the whole "Defense is basketball last time I checked" kind of posts...

          If you want to explain any sort of reasoning for this post, go ahead, but nobody in this thread has said anything close to "Chauncey Billups is a role player".
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          • BATMON
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            • Oct 2010
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            #140
            Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

            Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
            You're not really going to win arguments with posts like this and the whole "Defense is basketball last time I checked" kind of posts...

            If you want to explain any sort of reasoning for this post, go ahead, but nobody in this thread has said anything close to "Chauncey Billups is a role player".
            . Regarding the Pistons, there's no way you really think Ben Wallace and Tayshaun Prince were star players. It was team full of role players
            Ok.................

            Ok

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            • Yeah...THAT Guy
              Once in a Lifetime Memory
              • Dec 2006
              • 17294

              #141
              Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

              Originally posted by BATMON
              Ok.................

              Ok
              Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
              I won't derail the topic, but I'll just agree to disagree about Pippen. Like I said, he was a lot better than just a role player, and he was probably a star player, but I wouldn't put him on the SUPERstar level personally.

              Regarding the Pistons, there's no way you really think Ben Wallace and Tayshaun Prince were star players. It was team full of role players. Hamilton was good coming off of screens. Wallace was good defensively. Rasheed, Billups, and Tayshaun all did a little bit of everything. I don't really see any of them as being star players at that time, maybe Rasheed or Chauncey if any of them, but definitely no superstars and definitely not 5 stars.

              Regarding the Spurs, Ginobli didn't even score 10 a game in the playoffs back on the 02-03 team. Parker averaged 14.7 and 3.5 in the playoffs. Neither of them were star players yet. They were just solid role players. Duncan carried that team, averaging 24.7 and 15.4.
              Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
              There's a difference between a guy being popular and a guy being a star. You make it sound like Brady Quinn is a star for being in all those protein commercials.

              Almost everybody agrees the contract Ben Wallace got was absolutely a bonehead decision. He was an excellent role player (his role being his defense), just like Dennis Rodman. And yes, I know Rodman is now a hall of famer, but the dude was hardly a star player. He, like Ben Wallace, was an amazing defender and an amazing role player, and Rodman was a key cog to the Bulls dynasty.

              Regarding Rasheed, I agreed that if you think the Pistons had a star player, it was either him or Chauncey, but they're borderline stars. I mean, Rasheed averaged 13-15 points per game and about 7 rebounds per game in Detroit. That doesn't sound like a star player to me. And neither does Ben Wallace's 6-7 points per game. Both were key cogs to the Piston's championship team, and Rasheed was probably their best scorer (as far as creating for himself), but neither were star players in my opinion, and Ben definitely wasn't.
              Taking things out of context I see? I clearly said that Chauncey was a borderline star, but not a superstar.
              Last edited by Yeah...THAT Guy; 04-12-2011, 06:43 PM.
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              • HMcCoy
                All Star
                • Jan 2003
                • 8212

                #142
                Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

                Originally posted by PrettyT11
                He was a better shot blocker but Ben was not a better rebounder than Dwight. Dwight has been over 13 boards a game over the past 4 years. Over the past four years Dwight has averaged 13.8 boards a game. Ben has only topped that number once.
                Considering Dwight plays on an uptempo team and hasn't had a teammate who avg'd over 6 boards a game since his rookie season, vs Ben who played in low-possesion Larry Brown ball alongside Sheed and Dice, two 6-8 board a night guys, I think rebound totals are misleading. The year before Sheed, when BB was the teams Howard-like "designated rebounder", he avgd a whopping 15+ a game...something Dwight has never done.

                At the end of the day, both were dominant on the glass, Wallace just slightly more, IMO.
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                • travis72
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 1491

                  #143
                  Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

                  This thread has taken a interesting direction from what it was intended for since I last checked in,LOL.
                  Bulls are playing pretty good and I think they got as good a chance as any eastern conf. team to get to the finals. I don't feel they will win it all but its possible they can get to the finals. I am hoping and praying they do not get past the 1st rd and my Pacers shock the world,

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                  • cubsball899
                    MVP
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 1744

                    #144
                    Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

                    Originally posted by travis72
                    This thread has taken a interesting direction from what it was intended for since I last checked in,LOL.
                    Bulls are playing pretty good and I think they got as good a chance as any eastern conf. team to get to the finals. I don't feel they will win it all but its possible they can get to the finals. I am hoping and praying they do not get past the 1st rd and my Pacers shock the world,
                    don't hold your breath

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                    • ex carrabba fan
                      I'll thank him for you
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 32744

                      #145
                      Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

                      Dang what happened to Travis? Got banned before the playoffs started? That sucks

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                      • crusaderhoops10
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                        • Mar 2005
                        • 268

                        #146
                        Re: In YOUR Opinion: Do The Bulls Have A Good Shot At Winning It All?

                        I love the Bulls as a team and have to admit I started falling for the media hype surrounding them and Derrick Rose as the season went on. But now that the playoffs have started and I'm starting to think more about them winning and getting to the Finals, I'm feeling the same way I did at the start of the season when I just didn't feel they had enough options.

                        They really do rely so much on Rose to create everything on offense and I could just see them going on long scoring droughts. I love their defense and Noah but if they have to play the Heat and Wade and LeBron are getting calls, I have a hard time seeing Chicago beating them. I hope they would but the strategy of sending superstars into the lane to try and get calls seems to work a little better these days.

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