Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

[Scott812313]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

When its done in every single thread it is... so keep it up, and dont be surprised if you end up with a yellow card or let alone a ban when you've been told about it already

When have I ever commented on someone comparing Dirk to LeBron in any other thread? All threads are different and different people/topics/comparisons are made.

[Playmakers]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

saying a player is one of the 30 best players to ever play in the nba isn't a knock on him.

Who said it was a knock on Dirk to be in the top 30?

Let me rephrase my 1st comments what i meant to say is by the time he's done there won't be 30 players in NBA history who has put up his type of numbers......

Hell as of January 2010 the guy was already in the top 35 all time in points scored with 20k in his career......if i'm not mistaken he's climbed up that ladder even further this year to about 23rd overall.

His post season numbers are even better.....it is not beyond the realm of possibility that when it is all said and done his career numbers will sky rocket him into the top 10-15 range all time which is where i think he will eventually end up based on his numbers.

About the only thing you won't find in his resume right now is the HARDWARE....and if he manages to pull it off this year that will be one less thing media heads can bash him about unless they then revert to being a HYPOCRITE!

[The15thunter]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

Who said it was a knock on Dirk to be in the top 30?

Let me rephrase my 1st comments what i meant to say is by the time he's done there won't be 30 players in NBA history who has put up his type of numbers......

Hell as of January 2010 the guy was already in the top 35 all time in points scored with 20k in his career......if i'm not mistaken he's climbed up that ladder even further this year to about 23rd overall.

His post season numbers are even better.....it is not beyond the realm of possibility that when it is all said and done his career numbers will sky rocket him into the top 10-15 range all time which is where i think he will eventually end up based on his numbers.

About the only thing you won't find in his resume right now is the HARDWARE....and if he manages to pull it off this year that will be one less thing media heads can bash him about unless they then revert to being a HYPOCRITE!

i agree, by the time he's done, there will not be 30 players with better numbers than him. again, that doesn't necesarily make him a top 30 player. statistically, there are probably a number of players that have accomplished great feats that set them apart from everyone else, as well. that being said, dirk will definitely, assuredly be a top 30 guy. as for his placement beyond that, it's all opinion (well, the whole thing is, but still).

if he continues his current pace, or just diminishes slightly as he gets older, he will have accrued some very impressive stats and figures. if he adds hardware, his legacy is cement and he probably leapfrogs 5 spots automatically.

i just feel as though it's incredibly hard to crack the top ten in history. you need to be out of this world as an individual and you need to have consistent and top-notch postseason success with multiple rings for you to enter my mythical pantheon of greatness. i'm almost entirely confident in saying dirk will never make it, because i don't see him winning enough rings to get in. my top ten doesn't even include jerry west, shaquille o'neal, moses malone, elgin baylor, charles barkley or karl malone. it's not a knock on dirk to not be there, it's a top ten because it ain't easy.

in no order, just to give you a frame of reference, here is my top ten: michael jordan, bill russell, kareem abdul-jabbar, wilt chamberlain, magic johnson, larry bird, hakeem olajuwon, kobe bryant, oscar robertson, tim duncan.

[wwharton]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

Giving my opinion on your opinion is not trolling.

Seriously drop it, Scott. This isn't a point for discussion.

[mvspree8]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

Kobe's been there for a while my man.

I didn't say that he wasn't.

[Gibbz]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitski is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

If Malone was in Dirk's place right now, the Mavs would not be doing NEARLY as well.

Right now Malone is definitely ahead of Dirk on the all-time list. To act like that idea is laughable is ridiculous.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitski is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

Sure, because his career is over (and so there is more to work with and to be impressed about) and his stats are more impressive (as long as we're speaking strictly regular season, of course). Dirk still has more than a few years left.

But you can't honestly think the Mavs would have swept the Lakers if they had 32-year-old Malone instead of 32-year-old Dirk, can you?

I don't see how you think it wouldn't be possible for him to do so. You do know that he won both his MVP's and made both his NBA finals after 32 right?? At 32 Malone was still putting up 26,10,and 4 a night and pretty much never missed a game.

As far as their playoff numbers go they are damn near identical. Karl's are 24.7 points on 46 percent shooting, 10.7 rebounds, and 3.2 assists playing 41 minutes a night. Dirk's are 25.6 points on 46 percent shooting, 10.6 rebounds, and 2.6 assists playing 41.4 minutes a night. Just throwing this out there though if we took Karl's playoff numbers just up to 32 then his would be better than Dirk's.

[Subversion]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

Pfft merely top ten Carly? I'd say top two NBA players of ALL TIME.

The first being dino radja.

[AlexBrady]

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Right now Malone is definitely ahead of Dirk on the all-time list. To act like that idea is laughable is ridiculous.

I've never liked Karl Malone. Saw him play countless games and never came away in awe like so many others. He played with a guy in Stockton who threw amazing passes and would always generate open shots for him. If Malone had to score on his own recognizance he wasn't nearly as good. Not to mention he couldn't pass or handle the ball. Defensively, he had limited lateral movement so he would swipe at the ball when his man went up to shoot. This tactic failed more often than it succeeded. In the clutch, he would pass to no one, miss free throws, opt to shoot fadeaways, and generally cost his team the ball game.
The following power forwards were better players for their teams than Malone was.

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin McHale
3. Dave DeBusschere
4. Bob Pettit
5. Jerry Lucas
6. Willis Reed
7. Wes Unseld
8. Nate Thurmond
9. Jack Sikma

[LingeringRegime]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

Mr. Brady, please post more around these parts. I just came away from this thread educated because of your contribution.

[SPTO]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitski is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

I've never liked Karl Malone. Saw him play countless games and never came away in awe like so many others. He played with a guy in Stockton who threw amazing passes and would always generate open shots for him. If Malone had to score on his own recognizance he wasn't nearly as good. Not to mention he couldn't pass or handle the ball. Defensively, he had limited lateral movement so he would swipe at the ball when his man went up to shoot. This tactic failed more often than it suceeded. In the clutch, he would pass to no one, miss free throws, opt to shoot fadeaways, and generally cost his team the ballgame.
The following power forwards were better players for their teams than Malone was.

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin McHale
3. Dave DeBusschere
4. Bob Pettit
5. Jerry Lucas
6. Willis Reed
7. Wes Unseld
8. Nate Thurmond
9. Jack Sikma

SHUT YO MOUTH!

j/k

Malone is one of my very favorite players ever so it's a blind spot for me but I agree that when the chips were on the line all of his faults were full exposed for the world to see. It's why it's "Stockton and Malone" and not "Malone and Stockton". Stockton was the heart and soul of those Jazz teams while Malone got all the hype and recognition.

Still, it wasn't like he was a garbage player he possessed some strength and could use the body often to get points in the paint. Often though there was controversy as many viewed some of Malone's tactics to be a bit dirty. I'm going to guess you feel that way too?

Anyways every time I see your posts on OS I come away impressed with your vast knowledge.

[Dice]

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I've never liked Karl Malone. Saw him play countless games and never came away in awe like so many others. He played with a guy in Stockton who threw amazing passes and would always generate open shots for him. If Malone had to score on his own recognizance he wasn't nearly as good. Not to mention he couldn't pass or handle the ball. Defensively, he had limited lateral movement so he would swipe at the ball when his man went up to shoot. This tactic failed more often than it suceeded. In the clutch, he would pass to no one, miss free throws, opt to shoot fadeaways, and generally cost his team the ballgame.
The following power forwards were better players for their teams than Malone was.

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin McHale
3. Dave DeBusschere
4. Bob Pettit
5. Jerry Lucas
6. Willis Reed
7. Wes Unseld
8. Nate Thurmond
9. Jack Sikma

So does that mean we can remove Kareem Abdul Jabbar from the discussion of one of the all-time greatest centers because majority of his career he played with two great PG's in Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson?

[AlexBrady]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

Still, it wasn't like he was a garbage player he possessed some strength and could use the body often to get points in the paint. Often though there was controversy as many viewed some of Malone's tactics to be a bit dirty. I'm going to guess you feel that way too?

Anyways every time I see your posts on OS I come away impressed with your vast knowledge.

Oh, he was a good player. He could finish through contact because he was built like a statue. Malone was a self involved player/person. In his final years with the Jazz he became obsessed with trying to break the all time scoring record and would ignore wide open teammates so he could cast up shots of his own. That was Karl, always looking to fill up his own statline.

So does that mean we can remove Kareem Abdul Jabbar from the discussion of one of the all-time greatest centers because majority of his career he played with two great PG's in Oscar Robertson and Magic Johnson?

For sure, Kareem played with stupendous teammates. He played good active defense in his early years with the Bucks but he was never really a great defender. Like Malone, his lateral movement wasn't good. His offensive repertoire was simply unbelievable as he had an unstoppable sky hook, could bank jumpers, and offensive rebounds were an automatic two points. His passing was usually on point as well. Finally, he was always a lethal scorer in the clutch.

[KG]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

A little OT but since his name was brought up I'll say that I've always felt Kareem gets the short end of the stick when folks are making these lists. I don't know if it's because people think of him and think his patent move was gimmicky or what.

[sportyguyfl31]

Re: Carlisle: Nowitzki is "Top 10 Player in NBA History"

He might be when he is done. Especially if he can eek out a championship

I have always felt that Dirks greatness has been very underrated..highlighted by that Dirk vs Pau thread.

He's the most underrated superstar of his generation.

He's going to be able to score at a efficient level for a very long time, because he is such a good shooter, and his high post turn-around jumper is unblockable

Maybe underrated is the wrong word...more like under-exposed.

For better and worse, we live in a world where perception is based a lot off of how often you are seen.


You dont ever see him off of the basketball court. He hasnt played on national TV as much as Kobe, Lebron, KG, Pierce, Shaq, Allen Iverson, or even Tim Duncan.