CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

[da ThRONe]

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The explanation is that the owners are FOR non guaranteed contracts and players are against it. Same goes for the hard cap. Owners are for hard cap and players are against it. So in retrospect, if the players can live with non guaranteed contracts then the owners should accept the current salary cap system. Players give up one. The owners give up one. And I think everybody walks away happy.

Ok I get what your saying. I thought you were saying neither side want ed those things.

[TheMatrix31]

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http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/30037653

Wooooohooooo

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Thats alot of money... this is going nowhere fast

[Drewski]

Both sides have to lose in order for everyone to win. The owners need to revenue share, its the only way to control the uncontrollablity of market size. Players get contracts grandfathered into the new cba arrangements (that's a whole other issue), but all contracts longer than the next 3 years are cut at that point to fit the new cba conditions with cap etc.

Sent from the free throw line

[Jasong7777]

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The only NBA basketball that will be played next season will be NBA 2k12.

God, I hope i'm wrong.

[Altimus]

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The only NBA basketball that will be played next season will be NBA 2k12.

God, I hope i'm wrong.

Hopefully... a lot of difference in the figures with little time left.

[ehh]

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I know the players are going to hate taking a one-third cut on their revenue share but as we've all discussed a ton in the past there are way too many bums in the NBA sitting on ridiculous contracts. It needs to be adjusted.

As Matrix started off this thread, the league is broke and needs fixing - even if we need the new CBA to protect the owners from themselves.

I think the result of this lockout will be positive long term and will make the NBA even better than it's been the last few years. The owners and Stern finally realize that the time is now to make major changes even if it's an ugly process. Just hope we're playing ball by the Jan/Feb '12.

[da ThRONe]

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I know the players are going to hate taking a one-third cut on their revenue share but as we've all discussed a ton in the past there are way too many bums in the NBA sitting on ridiculous contracts. It needs to be adjusted.

As Matrix started off this thread, the league is broke and needs fixing - even if we need the new CBA to protect the owners from themselves.

I think the result of this lockout will be positive long term and will make the NBA even better than it's been the last few years. The owners and Stern finally realize that the time is now to make major changes even if it's an ugly process. Just hope we're playing ball by the Jan/Feb '12.

My only issues is their going to put the sport in jeopardy to fix something they have the ability to fix under the current CBA. Just stop issuing bad contracts problem solved. No lockout needed. Sure there are many tweaks that can help. Maybe raise the luxury tax penalties and start it right at the cap number.

Not quite sure how revenue sharing works in the NBA, they said the players make 57%sure of the revenue. Is that something the owners have to pay or is it the % they are paying? Unless they are forced to pay 57% of all revenue then this can be solved without all the labor issues.

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Not gonna happen man... they probably feel like sometimes you have to tear a thing up to fix it, and if it ever needed to be is now, which is why they wont bend first

[ehh]

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Yeah, and besides I agree with what quite a few talk shows have been saying this week that post-strike in '99 the league was struggling with replacing MJ far more than winning fans back after a work stoppage.

I think even after a lengthy lockout most fans will come back right away. The NBA is obviously nowhere near the NFL in terms of popularity and loyalty but it's been damn entertaining lately and IMO it will draw fans back quickly.

I think the NBA's situation is also different than the NFL because the owners, at least as far as I can tell, aren't being as shady as Godell & the NFL owners. While some fans few any striking athlete as "spoiled" I think the NFL players have more of leg to stand on than the NBA players.

[da ThRONe]

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I can kind of understand where the owners are coming from in the issues. NFL owners really had no leg they we're just being plain greedy. NBA CBA was sweet for the players. Guarenteed contracts, 57-43 split of revenue, no franchise tags, no hard cap, man the NBA players had it made in the last CBA.

[ehh]

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A reporter tweeted last night that the average NBA salary is roughly $4.79m. That's insane.

NFL: $770k
MLB: $3.3m (no salary cap though obviously)

The NBA players definitely have it good but teams also get screwed if a player is hurt or a bust. In MLB if you AJ Burnett to a $80m deal and he blows then it only hurts you financially. You can, if you choose to of course, spend just as much money on another player.

In basketball when that happens a franchise is hindered for years. Some media guy put it very well recently, paraphrasing he said "too many GMs pay a ton of money to average guys to find out if they can be great - and a vast majority don't turn out to be great."

So again, it basically boils down to saving the owners and GMs from themselves. But whatever it takes...

[Dice]

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A reporter tweeted last night that the average NBA salary is roughly $4.79m. That's insane.

NFL: $770k
MLB: $3.3m (no salary cap though obviously)

The NBA players definitely have it good but teams also get screwed if a player is hurt or a bust. In MLB if you AJ Burnett to a $80m deal and he blows then it only hurts you financially. You can, if you choose to of course, spend just as much money on another player.

In basketball when that happens a franchise is hindered for years. Some media guy put it very well recently, paraphrasing he said "too many GMs pay a ton of money to average guys to find out if they can be great - and a vast majority don't turn out to be great."

So again, it basically boils down to saving the owners and GMs from themselves. But whatever it takes...

So basically, your going to punish pro basketball with a lockout because over half the owners and GM's are idiots? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. BUT this lockout doesn't make sense as well.

[OSUFan_88]

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And I don't think it's fair that the owners are losing a bunch of money, and that the players are unwilling to give it up.

Exactly how much did Brian Cardinal make this year? Just sayin...

And yes, the owners and GM are somewhat to blame. And the players aren't to blame for accepting the contracts, it's just that the system is broken and the owners are losing record money. If the players want to hog the money, then there will be a lockout.

[Dice]

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I've echoed this many times here and I don't think the system is broke. It may need a tweak, but that's far from being 'Not working'.

The owners don’t have to pay these ridiculous contracts. They are not forced to pay them that type of money. But they do it anyway.

This is almost like the argument of who’s responsible for the house bubble crisis. One side argues that the banks and lenders shouldn’t have lent out money to unqualified people in the first place. The other side blames those who sign up for loans to buy a $500K house only making minimum wage. There’s a lot more to it than this BUT of course I won’t delve into it due to the TOS.

Anyway, with that said, owners should take full responsibility for the status of the leagues finances. The players are not the ones forcing franchises to sign a non-superstar a max deal. The players aren’t the ones letting stadium deals fall through and then turning around and trying to put the tab on the hard working taxpayers. The players aren’t the ones who’s making decisions to start an NBA franchise where there are no basketball fans AND THEN turn around and move them to another location with few basketball fans as well. The players aren’t the ones wasting lottery picks on foreign players who won’t even play for them for the next two years. Then turn around and pay the buyout clause for the player’s current team. You get my drift.

This lockout is nothing but a front for the owners to cover up for the idiotic mistakes that they made and sway the public opinion to their favor. And some might ask, ‘Why would the owners value the public opinion?’ Well, if you kept up with the NFL Labor drama, the players tried to go through the courts to end the lockout and force the owners to sit down at the table and give up some control with bargaining. When you start dealing with the judicial court system, public opinion can be a key ally. So what’s to say that the NBA players union don’t follow the same game plan? NBA owners already are in place to deal with that if the players follow the same roadmap. Because if you don’t think the NBA owners isn’t following the NFL Labor situation, then your seriously fooling yourselves.