CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

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Not that players are saying give me more, but they're being asked to take a paycut

Honestly at times like this, I dont feel sympathy for anyone making as much as the players or the owners and they can't realize they have it better than most people in life ever will

Not all of them but some dont get it, but remember how many NBA players go broke after retirement... its a sad number

[Drewski]

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Not that players are saying give me more, but they're being asked to take a paycut

Honestly at times like this, I dont feel sympathy for anyone making as much as the players or the owners and they can't realize they have it better than most people in life ever will

Not all of them but some dont get it, but remember how many NBA players go broke after retirement... its a sad number

Extremely sad number, and that's something that's come up multiple times with people here at work that I kick the NBA around with.

The players definitely have it better than most people ever will. The owners of these basketball teams... bought freaking BASKETBALL teams. I don't think much more needs to be said in terms of "feeling bad" for these guys.

They do need to fix the system though. Hoping we can get some positive news in the next 10 days - I expect the lockout to happen, but I'm hoping there's some progress being made in that area so that it doesn't bleed into the regular season.

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I wouldnt bank on the next 10 days at all

[Dice]

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Contraction of some of these dead weight franchises is probably the best solution for the league and it's financial situation.

I know it won't happen BUT you cannot give me a better solution that would help not only help the league's financial situation but also better basketball.

[bigfnjoe96]

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Some info on today's meeting ....

KBerg_CBS Ken Berger
Stern says cap "target" is $62 million per team, with a max above that to allow for exceptions such as the Bird exception." #NBA

KBerg_CBS Ken Berger
Stern: Proposal also included "flex cap," with a max that could be exceeded and a minimum. #NBA

Stern says league guaranteed players at least $2B in salaries for life of 10 year deal.

Seems like the owners are beginning to cave-in

[Drewski]

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Surprised to see not only non-guaranteed contracts go out the window, but a flex cap included. Interesting. The players made their proposal today, so this may all just be a small information filter to us that the owners are listening to...

[Dice]

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Some info on today's meeting ....





Stern says league guaranteed players at least $2B in salaries for life of 10 year deal.

Seems like the owners are beginning to cave-in

WOW!

This is kind of a surprise if what was reported is true. Stern and the owners talked all the **** about this impending lockout if the players didn't conform to what the owners wanted. NOW the owners are back peddling? This is possibly a good sign that the NBA might start the season on time.

[ehh]

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That would mean TWENTY-ONE MILLION in cap space for the Knicks next summer.



That gets a thumbs up.

[bigfnjoe96]

That would mean TWENTY-ONE MILLION in cap space for the Knicks next summer.



That gets a thumbs up.

Ohhhhh Myyyyyy



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[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Based on what I heard from Stern and Hunter, there's going to be a lockout. The NBA proposed a "flex cap" but the NBAPA still views this as a hard cap since there is an amount that you can't go over.

The owners also said no contract will be more than 4 years.

I agree with the Union when they say the Owners need more revenue sharing. The Lakers new local TV contract brings in more money that the ticket revenues from some teams.

It looks like the Owners won't move off their hard cap stance and the Union won't ever accept an offer that has a hard cap. One side is eventually going to cave in and I still think it's going to be the players.

[Eman5805]

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There's no way they pretty much have the same friggin' system. A flex cap is the same as a soft cap, except you can't go as high as you want as long as you pay the tax. You can just go as high as a specific point...

Doesn't even really change anything.

Owners need to beat the players down on this a bit.

[King_B_Mack]

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If I'm the players I jump on this. This deal is gonna get much worse before it gets any better and this may be as close to the current system as the owners are going to go. Hell, they may be proposing this because they know the players will reject it, then they'll go into Warrior Mode because the public will be firmly behind them in the 'who's the bigger greedy a-hole' race.

[Dice]

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Pretty much agree with what you said, King. This will be the turning point of possibly starting the season on time TO having regular season games canceled leading up to the entire season canceled.

NOW, the players don't have to fully reject this proposal. Can could tab this as a starting point and maybe work to adjust it. Which I think will happen. I think they'll extend the negotiation dead line and continue to sit and hammer this out.

But I think it all hinges on what happens Friday. If the players comes back with a "HELL NAW!" response, then prepare for the worst. If they come back with a more moderate response of "Not totally what we asked for but let's talk about it some more", then expect basketball this fall.

It could also be possible that even if the players don't take the proposal but want to hammer out the details, then they could just extend the old CBA for a year and negotiate into next season. The NBA did it back in 1983. OR do like the NFL did last year with no CBA and continue talks. Which I think might be a mistake if the NBA does that. Because then, I'm assured that the 2013 season will definitely be canceled.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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It could also be possible that even if the players don't take the proposal but want to hammer out the details, then they could just extend the old CBA for a year and negotiate into next season. The NBA did it back in 1983. OR do like the NFL did last year with no CBA and continue talks. Which I think might be a mistake if the NBA does that. Because then, I'm assured that the 2013 season will definitely be canceled.

If the NBA agrees to the current CBA for 1 more season than that just means Stern wasn't telling the truth the whole time. He said 22 teams are losing money under the current system. If this is true, the Owners are better off cancelling the whole season than playing under the current CBA.

[jfsolo]

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Once the owners took the possibility of contracts being non guaranteed off the table, IMO, the onus squarely fell on the players to make some sacrifices.