CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

[Drewski]

Re: CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

It's middle ground for both owners. Not all owners want a hard cap. Teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Mavs, etc. need to have a great team to make their money.

Right, but at the same time this would only keep those middle/low market teams out in the cold, which is something else they wanted to address (and I think they should). Though, fixing revenue sharing is a start for the smaller scale teams, so they have more money to work with and can be more willing to go up and over. Though, I think it was pointed out that like... 24 teams... are over the cap as is? So I dont see how the flex cap fixes that, those over the cap teams are losing money as it stands. The higher "hard" cap only strengthens teams like the Lakers who have deep pockets and can go up to that without batting an eye.

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Re: CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

Charles Barkley feasting again at the Heat bash-a-teria
by: Ira Winderman
June 29th, 2011 | 12:02 PM

Next thing you know, Charles Barkley will be blaming LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh for getting Rick Scott elected governor of Florida.

Or for the price of gas.

Or the Marlins’ struggles.

So it comes as little surprise that the TNT analyst and Hall of Fame forward has been at it again, this time in regard to the impending NBA lockout.

Appearing recently on the ESPN Radio affiliate in New York, Barkley tied together the lockout and the Heat into one big Barkley-esque package.


Charles Barkley has found another creative use for his favorite targets. (File)

“Well I think, and I’m not saying this because I’m in the NBA, if you go back and look, David Stern has been the best commissioner in sports the last 25 years. It would take a miracle on his part not to have a lockout and I truly believe that. I think there’s going to be a lockout, I think the owners are dug in, I think they want to send a message to these players.

“I think they’re really upset by this LeBron James-Chris Bosh situation, because their teams don’t have to be really good, but I feel like if they have a star in their market they can make some money. And if all the stars want to play together . . . we’re almost becoming like baseball where you’ve got a few good teams and the rest of them stink.”

Of course, the presence of those “few good teams” vaulted playoff television ratings to record heights where “the rest of them” also were able to cash in.

This is how the NBA, during its periods of peak growth, has thrived, with elite teams capturing the fans’ imagination (or do you believe the presence of the Mavericks drew those eyeballs during the NBA Finals?).

Barkley’s argument was “we have that rule where you can only show a team X-amount of times. So now we’re stuck. Why are we going to show the Cleveland Cavaliers? Why are we going to show the Toronto Raptors? We can’t do that.”

But you can change that rule, even if it means a bit of a kickback for lost local television rights.

That’s what makes the playoffs so popular, only the best teams are on display.

Teams such as the one that this past season featured LeBron, Wade and Bosh.

Some article with chuck talking

[da ThRONe]

Re: CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

Right, but at the same time this would only keep those middle/low market teams out in the cold, which is something else they wanted to address (and I think they should). Though, fixing revenue sharing is a start for the smaller scale teams, so they have more money to work with and can be more willing to go up and over. Though, I think it was pointed out that like... 24 teams... are over the cap as is? So I dont see how the flex cap fixes that, those over the cap teams are losing money as it stands. The higher "hard" cap only strengthens teams like the Lakers who have deep pockets and can go up to that without batting an eye.

Im sure the salaries would go down over time and so would the cap. Right now it almost impossible to impose a hard cap less than 50 mil.

[TheMatrix31]

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Personally, I think the lockout is good for the league in the long run. I could see there being no NBA next year. And I would be okay with that.

Yep.

The only thing I'd be sad about is that Nash and Hill will have gotten one year older.

[Marino]

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Maybe i love basketball too much but i was immediately upset at this post, i mentally called you out to fight in the middle of the street in the honor of my fair lady "Ye' Nba"

We must joust, it's only fair. The nation of Grizzlam vs the Lolcatz!

[Drewski]

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Im sure the salaries would go down over time and so would the cap. Right now it almost impossible to impose a hard cap less than 50 mil.

The Cap definitely needs to come down, in my opinion, unless they can squeeze in non-guaranteed with a higher cap. I think the players can push for the high ceiling, or guaranteed, but not both. What matters more to them in the end - the uncertainty of non-guaranteed with a higher potential, or the stability of a guaranteed contract with a lower number? I think option two is best, then at that point, they can kind of pick where they go from there. It's like picking teams out in the school yard, one captain picks, then it's the other teams turn. I imagine big market teams who "win" dont want a low hard cap though... lots of factors. I think everyone wants a deal to fix this, there's motive everywhere to pull from. Just such a delicate thing it seems impossible to ever settle.

[jeebs9]

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(crying in a corner) No Basketball... Not even free agents (wiping tears)

[luv_mist]

The NFL has a hard cap?


Sent from here to there

[da ThRONe]

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I really don't understand the logic of negotations. Your going to come together sooner or later why not just make it sooner? Why does it have to be this game of chicken that puts there respective sports in jeopardy? The players know once they start missing checks they will feel the heat. If the owners are really losing money they have nothing to lose by a work stoppage(really it's a plus). Not that they should lay down, but the ecomony is hurting and their income is from entertainment which for most family's is expendable. The players are going to take a hit in salary period why wait til their forced to cave?

They should sign a shorter 5-7year CBA for less revenue then re-up once the league starts to sign their new network deals. If there's work stoppage that hurts the product which hurts the revenue that can be shared. I'm sure the owners would settle for a 50-50 split in revenue and they already purposed a flexed-cap which ensures their share will be atleast 2 billion a year. The contract will remain guarenteed so they will have to sign shorter deals or give more team options. I don't think any player can look the Brandon Roy or Gilbert Arenas situation and think it's helping the league. I understand nobody wants to have a good thing interupted, but I'm disappointed the NBPA doesn't have enough sense to see the writing on the wall. The longer this plays out the worst deal they sign will be. Once again the owners have less to lose because they are losing money.

This is so fustrating as a fan.

[da ThRONe]

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The NFL has a hard cap?


from here to there

I don't like hard caps. I don't think it's fair to handicap willing owners. Ofcourse no cap is the worst. I think the flex-cap is the best middle ground. That will allow small market teams to be competitive, yet it doesn't punish bigger market teams that need star power.

[greenegt]

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I really don't understand the logic of negotations. Your going to come together sooner or later why not just make it sooner? Why does it have to be this game of chicken that puts there respective sports in jeopardy? ...

This is so fustrating as a fan.

It's really maddening. The way to get a deal done is through serious negotiations, like what the NFL/NFLPA is finally doing now, after their meaningless PR war. The current NBA financial system is broken, but it's fixable. They just need to sit down like men and hammer it out.

[OSUFan_88]

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Players and Owners have broken off talks just now, no deal done.

And so, it begins.

[Drewski]

Re: CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

Players and Owners have broken off talks just now, no deal done.

And so, it begins.

and so, it begins.

[da ThRONe]

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and so, it begins.

Great time to be a sports fan. The only two sports I follow heavily are lockout at the same time. ****

[Eman5805]

Re: CBA/Lockout Discussion Thread

Players and Owners have broken off talks just now, no deal done.

And so, it begins.