Top-10 Players in the NBA

[da ThRONe]

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I saw quite a few Hornets games and I thought they were very basic. They love the high screen/rolls, they run West and Okafor into the post, catch and shoots for Belinelli and a little bit of everything for Ariza. The non screen/roll plays don't really generate alot of points though. And when the good teams force the ball away from CP3 who is going to step up?

His assist to turnover ratio will always be great because he is a good handler and caretaker. What he needs to do is develop an off the ball game and curl, pop, or drive off weak side screens. I wouldn't mind Paul at the controls of my club, provided he is surrounded by some serious firepower.

Don't see how any of this is a knock on Paul. Other than the stuff about him working without the ball and we saw him do more of it this year when we ran a real offense. When you only have Paul and West that can create any offense what do you expect Paul to do?

[AlexBrady]

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Don't see how any of this is a knock on Paul. Other than the stuff about him working without the ball and we saw him do more of it this year when we ran a real offense. When you only have Paul and West that can create any offense what do you expect Paul to do?

Well, it reflects badly on CP3 when the offense looks stale and guys are just standing around watching. Off the ball play is what spices up an offense and CP3 just doesn't do that. If the leader only looks interested when he has the ball what message does that send? I agree, the Hornets don't have enough firepower which means CP3 will probably never win big there.

[Weeks]

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Who would you guys consider the best 11-20 players in the NBA?

I want to try to compile a list of the top 50 based on my method I posted above.

Excluding LeBron, Howard, Wade, Dirk, Durant, CP3, Kobe, Rose, Melo, and Amare (who are in my top 10)

I'd say:

Deron Williams
Russel Westbrook
Pau Gasol
Zach Randolph
Paul Pierce
Manu Ginobili
Steve Nash
Rudy Gay

Then I can't decide of two from: Kevin Martin, Andrew Bynum, Kevin Love, and Blake Griffin

[Dice]

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Well, it reflects badly on CP3 when the offense looks stale and guys are just standing around watching. Off the ball play is what spices up an offense and CP3 just doesn't do that. If the leader only looks interested when he has the ball what message does that send? I agree, the Hornets don't have enough firepower which means CP3 will probably never win big there.

When you don't have the players to compliment your game when your not handling the ball, what good is an "off the ball game"? I remember Isiah Thomas being a dominate ball handler in his first couple of years in the league. Then when he started to get some talent around him and his team started to be championship contenders, he didn't dominate the ball so much.

[Rocky]

Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

Who would you guys consider the best 11-20 players in the NBA?

I want to try to compile a list of the top 50 based on my method I posted above.

Excluding LeBron, Howard, Wade, Dirk, Durant, CP3, Kobe, Rose, Melo, and Amare (who are in my top 10)

I'd say:

Deron Williams
Russel Westbrook
Pau Gasol
Zach Randolph
Paul Pierce
Manu Ginobili
Steve Nash
Rudy Gay

Then I can't decide of two from: Kevin Martin, Andrew Bynum, Kevin Love, and Blake Griffin

I would have to think Aldridge would be in there somewhere.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

Who would you guys consider the best 11-20 players in the NBA?

I want to try to compile a list of the top 50 based on my method I posted above.

Excluding LeBron, Howard, Wade, Dirk, Durant, CP3, Kobe, Rose, Melo, and Amare (who are in my top 10)

I'd say:

Deron Williams
Russel Westbrook
Pau Gasol
Zach Randolph
Paul Pierce
Manu Ginobili
Steve Nash
Rudy Gay

Then I can't decide of two from: Kevin Martin, Andrew Bynum, Kevin Love, and Blake Griffin

I would have to take somebody out and add Joe Johnson in the top 20. Probably Westbrook.

[Weeks]

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Anyone you think non-deserving?

For sure:

Deron Williams, Russ Westbrook, Pau Gasol, Zach Randolph

Likely:

Pierce, Ginobili, Nash, Gay

Wildcard:

Aldridge, Love, Griffin, Bynum, Martin, Horford

[Weeks]

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I would have to take somebody out and add Joe Johnson in the top 20. Probably Westbrook.

Hmm, so you think Westbrook isn't top 20?

I think that he should be there (he was 2nd team all NBA), but I could see why not based off some of his playoff games.

What do you guys think of:

Williams
Westbrook
Gasol
Randolph
Pierce
Ginobili
Nash
Gay
Johnson
Aldridge

[Bellsprout]

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Ersan Illyasova
Luc Longley
Howard Eisley
Eric Snow
The Corpse of George Mikan
Hedo Turkoglu
Mark Madsen
Vitaly Potapenko
Raef LaFrentz
Bill Clinton in NBA Jam

Spoiler

Seriously, how often do you guys do this topic? Like once a week?

[AlexBrady]

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When you don't have the players to compliment your game when your not handling the ball, what good is an "off the ball game"? I remember Isiah Thomas being a dominate ball handler in his first couple of years in the league. Then when he started to get some talent around him and his team started to be championship contenders, he didn't dominate the ball so much.

If the Hornets wanted to make Paul's life easier and make him more unpredictable they would employ that strategy. Its much easier to defend a guy when the defense knows where he is and what he'll be doing. Isiah was 6 foot 3 (5 inches taller than Paul) and had a much easier time scoring and getting his shot off. Plus, Zeke always played hard and inspired teammates which is something Paul hasn't done.

[Weeks]

Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

Ersan Illyasova
Luc Longley
Howard Eisley
Eric Snow
The Corpse of George Mikan
Hedo Turkoglu
Mark Madsen
Vitaly Potapenko
Raef LaFrentz
Bill Clinton in NBA Jam

Spoiler

Seriously, how often do you guys do this topic? Like once a week?

LMAO

I think there is about an average of 1 thread a week that is about the top players in the NBA

[Jukeman]

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Lebron defer too much to be the best player in the NBA..

As far as talents...

Well, he's #1 in that category lol

[Weeks]

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If the Hornets wanted to make Paul's life easier and make him more unpredictable they would employ that strategy. Its much easier to defend a guy when the defense knows where he is and what he'll be doing. Isiah was 6 foot 3 (5 inches taller than Paul) and had a much easier time scoring and getting his shot off. Plus, Zeke always played hard and inspired teammates which is something Paul hasn't done.

Not trying to get into this argument.

But Paul isn't 5'10".

He's 6'1" in shoes, and w/o shoes he is 5'11.75" according to draftexpress (there measurements come from the draft combine)

And on nba-reference.com Zeke is 6'1". Along with on wikipedia, and then when you type in "Isiah Thomas height" on google it says 6'1" is it's best guess because that is what it is listed on 5 other websites

[da ThRONe]

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If the Hornets wanted to make Paul's life easier and make him more unpredictable they would employ that strategy. Its much easier to defend a guy when the defense knows where he is and what he'll be doing. Isiah was 6 foot 3 (5 inches taller than Paul) and had a much easier time scoring and getting his shot off. Plus, Zeke always played hard and inspired teammates which is something Paul hasn't done.

What wait what? Chris Paul not playing hard. Not inspiring his team are you serious? He is probably the greatest leader in the game right now. And nobody and I mean nobody plays as hard or with more passion than CP3. What player are you watching?

[Dice]

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If the Hornets wanted to make Paul's life easier and make him more unpredictable they would employ that strategy. Its much easier to defend a guy when the defense knows where he is and what he'll be doing. Isiah was 6 foot 3 (5 inches taller than Paul) and had a much easier time scoring and getting his shot off. Plus, Zeke always played hard and inspired teammates which is something Paul hasn't done.

They want to make Paul's life easier? Get him some help. Who on that team besides Paul is an above average passer? Can't think of anyone on that team. So off the ball movement does no good without guys who can pass.

My brother and I met Isiah Thomas in person. My brother who is taller than me is about 6'1. When he stood next to Isiah, he was shoulder to shoulder with him. Either your talking about another Zeke OR we met an impersonator. Which I highly doubt.