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  • AlexBrady
    MVP
    • Jul 2008
    • 3341

    #46
    Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

    Originally posted by Dice
    Magic Johnson, most definantely. Best PG in history.

    Never saw Robertson, West, Frazier and Wilkins play. So I can't comment. However, Wilkins is the only one on this list without a championship so I'm spekipcal of him.

    Dennis Johnson was a great defensive player but the prime of his career was as a 2-guard. And still at that, he couldn't create offense for himself nor his teammates. And playing with Bird, McHale and Parish would make a lot of PG's look good. Look at Tiny Archibald. This guy was washed up when he got to the Celtics and he garnered a second career and a championship as their starting PG. As good as DJ was, he was another one who I wouldn't consider hall of fame material. When he was on the Celtic teams, he was at best their 4th option. Defenses weren't centering their game plan to stop DJ. I'll pass on him.

    As far as Jason Kidd, it's just too bad during the prime of his career he wasn't a great shooter. It wasn't until afterwords, he decided to be a better shooter. If he would have developed a consistent jumpshot shot during his prime like he has now, I might have considered him. But his career .401 FG% scares me and his .396 FG% for the playoffs scares me even more. Thomas had many memorable playoff moments and 2 championships as the team's best player. I don't think Kidd can top that. Kidd, great player and will be in the hall of fame BUT I'd rather take my chances with Thomas.

    Steve Nash? Your talking about a guy being defensively deficient? Here is the perfect example. And maybe your one of those apologist for Nash's defense because he played under two of the two most anti-defensive coaches in Don Nelson and Mike D'Antoni. But still. No excuse. For Nash to keep getting trashed in the playoffs by lesser PG's like Tony Parker and Mike Bibby, I have issues with that. Great player offensively. Lousy defensively.

    And as far as Stockton and Payton. I suggest you watch that 1996 series again. Payton clearly won that matchup. It doesn't matter that Karl Malone lost the Jazz that series. Stockton could not hold his man, Gary Payton, from being the MVP of that series.
    Lenny Wilkins is way underrated. He was one of the smartest players of all time and he could do almost everything on the court. Shoot, pass, rebound, and make plays in the clutch. I will say that his defense was only average.

    DJ was one of the greatest defenders of all time. He could even disrupt Magic Johnson. He could shoot from mid range, pass, rebound, and generally dominate the clutch. Bird and McHale were certainly all timers but DJ was the unsung hero.

    On Archibald, he was always a big time scorer and he still had plenty in the tank. I considered him too.

    Yeah, Kidd would usually miss alot of jumpers early in games and his teams would fall behind. Still, he has proved his courage time and again by bagging the big time jumpers in the 4th quarter. His defense was top notch and physical. He could run a mean fast break, post up, finish, and play with an edge. The guy has always been a winner.

    Nash can shoot the lights out, make terrific decisions, score from every arm angle, anticipate, and always play hard. Stronger than he looks and tough as nails. You're right though, while his team defense is alert his man to man defense has always been poor.

    Isiah was great at shooting pullups and finishing but he had limited shooting range overall. Taking everything into account, Isiah was an arrogant jerk in the lockeroom. Its also worth mentioning that Dumars took the clutch shots and defended the top scorers. Most people fail to realize how great Dumars was.

    Its almost impossible to compare Stockton and Payton on equal terms since they had totally different gameplans. Stockton was a pure point who shot as a last resort while GP was always looking to score. You seem to be harping on their personal confrontations.
    Last edited by AlexBrady; 07-26-2011, 10:19 PM.

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    • Dice
      Sitting by the door
      • Jul 2002
      • 6627

      #47
      Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

      Originally posted by AlexBrady
      Isiah was great at shooting pullups and finishing but he had limited shooting range overall. Taking everything into account, Isiah was an arrogant jerk in the lockeroom. Its also worth mentioning that Dumars took the clutch shots and defended the top scorers. Most people fail to realize how great Dumars was.
      Dumars was great and yes he was clutch. BUT least we forget who was the best player in the 1990 Playoffs and Finals. Yeah, I didn't like Isiah myself BUT your going to tell me that Jordan was a total angel in the locker room? You like to read the "Jordan Rules" and "Blood on the Horns" and tell me Jordan was not a jerk?



      Originally posted by AlexBrady
      Its almost impossible to compare Stockton and Payton on equal terms since they had totally different gameplans. Stockton was a pure point who shot as a last resort while GP was always looking to score. You seem to be harping on their personal confrontations.
      It's the best measure of comparison you have between two players. Especially when those players during their confrontations were elite players at their position. What's interesting about the 93 matchup was that Payton wasn't even fully developed and Stockton was riding the peak of his career. And Payton still got the upper hand in that series. The 96 matchup had Payton at the height of his career and Stockton, even though advanced in age, he still was regarded as one of the best PG's during that time.
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      • DutchMastah7
        Pro
        • Jun 2011
        • 957

        #48
        Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

        LeBron James
        Kobe Bryant
        Dirk Nowitzki
        Dwyane Wade
        Kevin Durant
        Dwight Howard
        Chris Paul
        Amare Stoudemire
        Derrick Rose
        Carmelo Anthony
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        • AlexBrady
          MVP
          • Jul 2008
          • 3341

          #49
          Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

          Originally posted by Dice
          Dumars was great and yes he was clutch. BUT least we forget who was the best player in the 1990 Playoffs and Finals. Yeah, I didn't like Isiah myself BUT your going to tell me that Jordan was a total angel in the locker room? You like to read the "Jordan Rules" and "Blood on the Horns" and tell me Jordan was not a jerk?





          It's the best measure of comparison you have between two players. Especially when those players during their confrontations were elite players at their position. What's interesting about the 93 matchup was that Payton wasn't even fully developed and Stockton was riding the peak of his career. And Payton still got the upper hand in that series. The 96 matchup had Payton at the height of his career and Stockton, even though advanced in age, he still was regarded as one of the best PG's during that time.
          1990 was a good run for Isiah. Jordan was fiercely competitive but wasn't fake or phony like Isiah. Hard to say if Payton got the upper hand since they played so differently. GP posted and handled for extremely long periods of time and did nothing without the ball. Stockton's domination of a ballgame was more team oriented since he understood how to make set up passes and play off the ball.

          Payton's excessive ball time didn't really complement his teammates well and his loud mouth was highly destructive. Interestingly, in the 1996 Finals he matched up against Michael Jordan (an elite player) and was completely destroyed.

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          • ProfessaPackMan
            Bamma
            • Mar 2008
            • 63852

            #50
            Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

            Deron Williams is still better than Chris Paul.

            Yeah I said it and I don't give a damn if people got short term memory or not but let's not pretend like Deron ain't got in CP3 *** a few times already since they've been in the league.
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            • Dice
              Sitting by the door
              • Jul 2002
              • 6627

              #51
              Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

              Originally posted by AlexBrady
              1990 was a good run for Isiah. Jordan was fiercely competitive but wasn't fake or phony like Isiah. Hard to say if Payton got the upper hand since they played so differently. GP posted and handled for extremely long periods of time and did nothing without the ball. Stockton's domination of a ballgame was more team oriented since he understood how to make set up passes and play off the ball.

              Payton's excessive ball time didn't really complement his teammates well and his loud mouth was highly destructive. Interestingly, in the 1996 Finals he matched up against Michael Jordan (an elite player) and was completely destroyed.
              Wasn't hard for me to notice Payton getting the upper hand against Stockton. Ball hog or not, he won the match-up and most importantly, won the series against Stockton.

              And yes, Payton would eat his words against the Jordan and the Bulls in 96. Never said Payton was better than Jordan. I just prefer Payton over Stockton. To me, he brings more to the table than Stockton in terms of size, scoring and defense. I want my PG to be a scoring threat. He doesn't have to shoot a lot BUT if you need some points from him I just want him to deliver when I call on him. Stockton couldn't do that. Payton could. Isiah as well.
              I have more respect for a man who let's me know where he stands, even if he's wrong. Than the one who comes up like an angel and is nothing but a devil. - Malcolm X

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              • Weeks
                L Corleone
                • Aug 2009
                • 2990

                #52
                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                Deron Williams is still better than Chris Paul.

                Yeah I said it and I don't give a damn if people got short term memory or not but let's not pretend like Deron ain't got in CP3 *** a few times already since they've been in the league.
                Do you consider him the top PG in the league then?
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                • Raider131
                  Rookie
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 343

                  #53
                  Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

                  1.Lebron
                  2.Wade
                  3.Paul
                  4.Kobe
                  5.Durant
                  6.Melo
                  7.Howard
                  8.Rose
                  9.Dirk
                  10.Amare

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                  • ernie69
                    Rookie
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 348

                    #54
                    Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

                    1. Dirk
                    2. Lebron
                    3. Rose
                    4. Kobe
                    5. Howard
                    6. Wade
                    7. Durant
                    8. Paul
                    9. Melo
                    10. Stat
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                    • AlexBrady
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 3341

                      #55
                      Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

                      Originally posted by Dice
                      Wasn't hard for me to notice Payton getting the upper hand against Stockton. Ball hog or not, he won the match-up and most importantly, won the series against Stockton.

                      And yes, Payton would eat his words against the Jordan and the Bulls in 96. Never said Payton was better than Jordan. I just prefer Payton over Stockton. To me, he brings more to the table than Stockton in terms of size, scoring and defense. I want my PG to be a scoring threat. He doesn't have to shoot a lot BUT if you need some points from him I just want him to deliver when I call on him. Stockton couldn't do that. Payton could. Isiah as well.
                      If you felt Payton won the matchups against Stockton, fine. The Bulls did expose Payton's gambling defense which left all of his teammates in jeopardy. Don't get me wrong, I thought GP was a good player and he could dominate both ends against certain opponents. The question with point guards is did they make their teammates better? I don't think Payton did.

                      You look at Payton's scoring numbers and think he was great but then you realize he needed full time posession of the ball. Stockton had better and more effective range, more release points, and mastered off ball play. Stockton was actually a solid defender, maybe a tick behind Payton. When points were crucial, Stockton would deliver.

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                      • jeebs9
                        Fear is the Unknown
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 47562

                        #56
                        Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

                        Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                        Deron Williams is still better than Chris Paul.

                        Yeah I said it and I don't give a damn if people got short term memory or not but let's not pretend like Deron ain't got in CP3 *** a few times already since they've been in the league.
                        Deron Williams better than CP3... I don't know about that. I just feel Deron doesn't effect the game on defensive side of the ball as much as CP3 does. I think that is the only difference between them.
                        Last edited by jeebs9; 07-27-2011, 09:25 AM.
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                        • ProfessaPackMan
                          Bamma
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 63852

                          #57
                          Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

                          Short term memory because I damn sure don't remember many people saying CP3 was the best PG in the league when he had his injury plagued season a few years ago. Just sayin'...

                          And I don't think there's ever been a question about Deron's Defense, even when he was in Utah so I don't see how you can say that's the difference between them.
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                          • ProfessaPackMan
                            Bamma
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 63852

                            #58
                            Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

                            Originally posted by Weeks
                            Do you consider him the top PG in the league then?
                            Top 2? Yup, just like he has been for the past few years now.

                            Better than CP3? Yup and I've always believed that even before he came to Jersey.
                            #RespectTheCulture

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                            • iAM-IncReDiBLe-
                              Next Miami Great
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 4285

                              #59
                              Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

                              Does cp3 even play good defense? Sure he gets a ton of steals but heck so does Monte Ellis an no one says hes a good defender. I never considered cp3 a good defender at the pg position only that hes good at getting a steal here an there.

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                              • TheMatrix31
                                RF
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 52896

                                #60
                                Re: Top-10 Players in the NBA

                                Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                                Top 2? Yup, just like he has been for the past few years now.

                                Better than CP3? Yup and I've always believed that even before he came to Jersey.
                                I somewhat agree with this. I don't know which one's better, but I guess I'm trying to say that I'd rather have Deron Williams over Paul if given the choice.

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