NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[Court_vision]

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Ouch

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Buy-a-candy-bar-help-end-the-NBA-lockout;_ylt=AkdMS3ijiJkMw5_WjVfi_oy8vLYF?urn=nba-wp9596

[LingeringRegime]

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That last part was spectacular.

[OSUFan_88]

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"Yo, how much for a snickers?"

"Two hundred and fifty thousand"

Gold.

[Dice]

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Ouch

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba-wp9596

I know my 'Pro Owner' people would get a kick out of that last part. But it was funny.

[aholbert32]

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1) BUT that's the players offer. I thought it was common knowledge that the owners was going to offer less than 50%?

2) It sound crazy but if the superstars are unhappy about the deal then I can't see the union going against the players. We're forgetting about the role of the agents, who I think still have some influence in this game. And I'm talking about the big agents like Arn Tellum and Jeff Schwatz. These are guys who represent about half the league. So if their superstars clients aren't taking the deal, what makes you think that their lower teir clients will go against the grain? And let's just say that their lower tier clients are unhappy and looks like a mutiny, well, their agent can just tell them to go find someone else to represent you. BUT if the overall lower tier player voted for a slanted CBA against the superstar player, yes, I can see them leaving the union on suggestions of their agents. Remember, they're the ones who's pushing for a decert.

3) I think I said the superstar player are the ones with the overseas options. Yes, I already know that everyone will not have that option. And yes, I already know that'll be less. But it's a pay check. And yes, it ain't a $100 million dollar deal BUT it's still a deal in the millions. And you forgot about the endorsement by those superstar players, which are paying them millions as well.

I think you under estimate the superstars. They have more influence than you think. BUT we'll see when Stern gives his 'Drop Dead' date to cancel the entire season, which will be coming at the end of December. At that point, this is where ALL PARTIES will show their hand and we'll see who's going to blink at that point.

1) You are missing my point. No matter what happens from this point forward, it will be a pro-Owners deal. Even if they agreed to accept the Player's current offer, its a win for the owners because they just negotiated for 180 million dollars more a year. If the players make more concessions, the deal gets even better for the owners.

2) You are overthinking thinking this. Its common sense. 300 players arent going to go broke because 13 players say they arent happy with a deal. That defies logic. What also defies logic is that those 13 players would risk endorsement money and damage their image by holding out and refusing to play under a CBA their union agreed to.

You have to explain to me what benefit the superstars would get for doing this. Nike isnt going to pay Lebron James millions for playing outside of the NBA. Neither is Mcdonalds. As I stated earlier, its not like the superstars can negotiate their own CBA. Finally, the NBA would never say "Well those superstars dont want to play so lets not schedule games". The NBA would move on and run their season with the 400 plus players who want to play. So why would they do this?


3) Nobody ever argued that the Superstars dont have options. All of them would be OK if the league was locked out for 2-3 seasons. The point is those players make up less than 10% of the union. They have pull but not enough to stop a deal if the rest of the membership wants one to be made.

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Why are we even entertaining the idea that the players have any kind of leverage? We all know they dont have anything at all, or they would've been paid and playing already

Everything they mention as an alternative is shaky the NLRB, the Courts in the even they want to decert... its just not looking like they have anything to stand on

...and I know they know this, thats why those stars teamed up to play elsewhere for money while the rest of the players sit back and miss checks

[Dice]

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1) You are missing my point. No matter what happens from this point forward, it will be a pro-Owners deal. Even if they agreed to accept the Player's current offer, its a win for the owners because they just negotiated for 180 million dollars more a year. If the players make more concessions, the deal gets even better for the owners.

2) You are overthinking thinking this. Its common sense. 300 players arent going to go broke because 13 players say they arent happy with a deal. That defies logic. What also defies logic is that those 13 players would risk endorsement money and damage their image by holding out and refusing to play under a CBA their union agreed to.

You have to explain to me what benefit the superstars would get for doing this. Nike isnt going to pay Lebron James millions for playing outside of the NBA. Neither is Mcdonalds. As I stated earlier, its not like the superstars can negotiate their own CBA. Finally, the NBA would never say "Well those superstars dont want to play so lets not schedule games". The NBA would move on and run their season with the 400 plus players who want to play. So why would they do this?


3) Nobody ever argued that the Superstars dont have options. All of them would be OK if the league was locked out for 2-3 seasons. The point is those players make up less than 10% of the union. They have pull but not enough to stop a deal if the rest of the membership wants one to be made.

1) We already know that the players made concessions in their final deal as well. However, it's not the argument of the deal being 'Pro Owner's'. Yes, we already know that even the players final offer made concessions in their deal. I was just talking about which deal will be taken, the players final offer or the owners final offer. Right now, there is no middle ground. That's why they are in this situation. I understood your point. But I wasn't arguing on that point.

2) If you want to call it overthinking, then fine. I think we all are doing this considering most of us are just giving our opinions and analysis on the situations. You seem like your knowledgeable on legal stuff but as you probably know, labor disputes aren't as simple as it seems. That's why they go through these negotiations. And my point about this is that it's not about them stopping the deal. Yes, I know that the 13 players aren't going to outnumber the other 275+ left in the union. The point I was making is that the superstars seem to have enough of an influence on these guys as well as their agents. And as I stated in the last post, the agents are the ones that tie this in together, despite the fact that the agents hate Hunter. Then again, if I'm over analysis the situation, then my bad. But I'd figure that since many here referenced the 99 lockout, that lockout also had agent influence as well.

And as far as LeBron and Nike, remember, last year Nike just signed him for 7-years and $93 million. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...bronnike033110
Not sure of the details but I'm guessing the deal isn't contingent on if the NBA is in a lockout. I maybe wrong but I doubt it.

3) See number 2

[aholbert32]

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1) I see your point but this is what you said in your initial post:

"But here’s something that I’m going to predict. Let’s say there is a deal this year and they save the season, I’m willing to bet that the deal will not be in favor of the owners and here why."

You didnt say that the final deal that would be accepted would be the players...you said the deal would not be in favor of the owners. The deal will clearly be "in favor of the owners" no matter what happens.

2) I'll agree to disagree on the amount of pull the superstars and agents have. Regarding Lebron, in the scenario I put forth with Nike and Lebron it wouldnt be during a lockout. It would be under a scenario that where the lockout is lifted, the union agrees to a deal and the superstars refuse to play under that deal.

Nike deals are not guaranteed so they could terminate if he refuses to play in the NBA.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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So if the Lockout were to continue for the next 2-3 years, do you think Nike would continue to pay him that money, even though the only games he's playing in are games that can't even be seen unless you're there in person? Or do you think they'd ask him to put some of those payments on hold at least until the season starts back up?

[aholbert32]

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So if the Lockout were to continue for the next 2-3 years, do you think Nike would continue to pay him that money, even though the only games he's playing in are games that can't even be seen unless you're there in person? Or do you think they'd ask him to put some of those payments on hold at least until the season starts back up?

The lockout would never last 2-3 years but if it did, they would continue to pay him.

[aholbert32]

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Owners and players reps talked last night on the phone.

Owners meeting today to finalize revenue sharing.

[WTF]

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Hmmmm. Interesting. Still no word on more cancelled games as of yet either?

December 1 start date looking more and more likely, if they get together and go for another session. I don't know if we'll see any games at all before the All-Star break if they don't get this straightened out for a Dec 1 start. Just my opinion of course.

[cjonesfan921]

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As much as I love the game, I don't think I will fully miss it until football season is over. Sad, I know.

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David Stern has been quiet since he went home


Wonder whats going on right now

Aaron

What do you think they were talking about? Another meeting

[tehova]

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As much as I love the game, I don't think I will fully miss it until football season is over. Sad, I know.