NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[The 24th Letter]

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Agreed on the tax aspect.

Really puts the small market teams in no better position. Shows once again that this really has nothing to do with improvement to the game IMO

[aholbert32]

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This can't be the players have "ZERO" leverage. None!


I'm really disappointed that the owners moved off the most important aspect of these negotiations IMO. This luxury tax system will do more to hurt parity then help. It's going to cause a much bigger gap between the large rev and med/small rev teams. We could easily see teams spending 3 or 4 times as much as some teams. This league needs a system with a definitive cap on salaries.

LOL. You are completely full of it. You've been in this thread for weeks talking about this imaginary leverage. I've asked you several times to specify the leverage and youve ducked the question every time. I would respect it if you would have once said "Decertification" but you didnt because you know thats not true leverage.

Decert blows up the season. We've known that since June. That why Hunter hasnt done it. Its not leverage if you blow up the season because players do the same amount of damage to themselves (maybe more) as the owners. This "leverage" may move the owners 1 percentage point or it may cause the owners to call their bluff. Decert didnt work for the NFLPA and its not likely to work here. So the players can decertify and then they lose a year and are looking at getting 43% next year.

[da ThRONe]

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The thing is, that's not true, it's quite frankly, blatantly obvious it's not true, and yet you don't seem to get it.

Which part isn't true? The fact that people have been anti-players? The fact that a person is only considered trolling when they are in the minority with their opinion?

Once again the owners are more responsible for this lockout. They are losing just like the players are so for the greater good they could easily meet the players @52% and still come away from these negotiations a big winner. So I don't see how it's unreasonable to hold the owners just as responsible if not more than the players. There's a saying that nobody is suppose to come away happy after negotiations. Not here the owners will be the clear cut winners even coming up 1.5 - 2% points to end all of this.

[aholbert32]

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One last thing: Just because 50 players were on a call about decertification doesnt mean they will all vote for it. If their attorneys were being straight with them they would have advised them against this.

As I said, this is a last gasp effort by the agents. They leak the story to put some fear in the owners.

[da ThRONe]

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LOL. You are completely full of it. You've been in this thread for weeks talking about this imaginary leverage. I've asked you several times to specify the leverage and youve ducked the question every time. I would respect it if you would have once said "Decertification" but you didnt because you know thats not true leverage.

Decert blows up the season. We've known that since June. That why Hunter hasnt done it. Its not leverage if you blow up the season because players do the same amount of damage to themselves (maybe more) as the owners. This "leverage" may move the owners 1 percentage point or it may cause the owners to call their bluff. Decert didnt work for the NFLPA and its not likely to work here. So the players can decertify and then they lose a year and are looking at getting 43% next year.

I didn't think I needed to point out the obvious. That in the fact guys were going over seas. Unlike football players those guys could use their skills other places just to hold out.

Either way leverage is leverage you guys said zero I said not much.

[bkrich83]

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Which part isn't true? The fact that people have been anti-players? The fact that a person is only considered trolling when they are in the minority with their opinion?

Once again the owners are more responsible for this lockout. They are losing just like the players are so for the greater good they could easily meet the players @52% and still come away from these negotiations a big winner. So I don't see how it's unreasonable to hold the owners just as responsible if not more than the players. There's a saying that nobody is suppose to come away happy after negotiations. Not here the owners will be the clear cut winners even coming up 1.5 - 2% points to end all of this.

No one is anti players. That's what you simply don't get.

[The 24th Letter]

One last thing: Just because 50 players were on a call about decertification doesnt mean they will all vote for it. If their attorneys were being straight with them they would have advised them against this.

As I said, this is a last gasp effort by the agents. They leak the story to put some fear in the owners.

And they have a healthy fear of it too.

Decert isn't a home run by any stretch, but its not a shot in the dark either. Provided the players are willing to suffer through the loss of the season...Which is a big if.

[ScoobySnax]

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Yeah that's no leverage at all. The best outcome would be for them to accept the deal that's been proposed. It only gets worse for everyone involved if decertification comes into play. Sometimes you just have to quit while you're ahead (or behind depending on your perspective).

[The 24th Letter]

No one is anti players. That's what you simply don't get.

Plenty are, and that's fine.....but it's pretty obvious. The very person who called Da Throne a troll said the exact words lol...

With that said, I don't care who's pro or anti what...This situation is so far past that at this point.

[bkrich83]

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The sad part is, this stoppage is going to kill any traction the league had as it concerns regaining popularity. They had a fabulous post season, and they simply pissed away the momentum gain.

[bkrich83]

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Plenty are, and that's fine.....but it's pretty obvious. The very person who called Da Throne a troll said the exact words lol...

With that said, I don't care who's pro or anti what...This situation is so far past that at this point.

They really aren't though. Da throne being called a troll or borderline troll in this instance isn't much of a stretch. His motivation is quite clear.

[da ThRONe]

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No one is anti players. That's what you simply don't get.

Speak for yourself. I've read very anti-player comments since this whole labor situation started. Many of these comments were very personal and anti-player.

[Marino]

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Plenty are, and that's fine.....but it's pretty obvious. The very person who called Da Throne a troll said the exact words lol...

With that said, I don't care who's pro or anti what...This situation is so far past that at this point.

WE are all pro basketball, we just state out where the players have no leverage. If that makes us pro-owners and anti-players then well, that's just not true.

[bkrich83]

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And they have a healthy fear of it too.

Decert isn't a home run by any stretch, but its not a shot in the dark either. Provided the players are willing to suffer through the loss of the season...Which is a big if.

How many are though? I wonder how many really are willing or able to make that sacrifice? I have no idea.

It's definitely the doomsday option, not sure it would benefit them in the long run.

[bkrich83]

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Speak for yourself. I've read very anti-player comments since this whole labor situation started. Many of these comments were very personal and anti-player.

Not true. You simply turned them that way. We all know why.