NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/05/sp...tml?ref=sports

Jordan leading a group of owners demanding that the owners hold at 50/50. His group wanted the players BRI to drop to 37%.

Is he one of the hawk GMs that are actually asking Stern to go less than 50... I wonder

Not sure he has much influence on those other guys but im curious

[aholbert32]

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Is he one of the hawk GMs that are actually asking Stern to go less than 50... I wonder

Not sure he has much influence on those other guys but im curious

He is. Jordan and Kohl have been leading the hawks. Jordan is absolutely full of ****. Just go back to 95 or 98 when there were lockouts. His quotes back then were completely different.

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He is. Jordan and Kohl have been leading the hawks. Jordan is absolutely full of ****. Just go back to 95 or 98 when there were lockouts. His quotes back then were completely different.

You know what, im definitely not with that..

That said, if these guys dont make a deal im not sure all the owners wont end up at this point

Stern should be holding these guys back

[TheMatrix31]

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Jordan's been a part of both sides. That's a blessing and a curse.

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True, but the league was much more prosperous and the players made way less money than anything in today's league so the circumstances are different

Actually he had retired when they had that CBA lockout, but he showed up to get the players the kind of deal these guys have been living off of til now (probably didnt expect salaries to go into the 100 millions)

[The 24th Letter]

He is. Jordan and Kohl have been leading the hawks. Jordan is absolutely full of ****. Just go back to 95 or 98 when there were lockouts. His quotes back then were completely different.

Yep, I posted those very quotes in the middle of this thread lol

[Marino]

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Get it Jordan.

[aholbert32]

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Even still 10 owners arent enough to kill the deal. You need 16 and I think Stern has 16.

San Antonio, LAL, LAC, Chicago, NJ, NY, NO, ATL (because current sale may fall through), OKC, Miami, Orlando, Dallas, Houston, Indiana, Golden State. Thats 15 solid votes for Stern and no one knows the position of Detroit's new owner. Gilbert and/or Sarver could potentially flip too.

[da ThRONe]

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Its happening again

First of all you jump in here calling all of us anti player and saying we are all making personal shots, and I say all of us because you keep doing it without naming who you're talking about

First I didn't "just jump in here". Second if the shoe fits. Everybody who's comments have been clearly anti-player speak for themselves why do I need to name folks?

Secondly again, claiming victim status and you're still yet to answer anything Aaron has given you whether its System issues, Legal issues, or whatever it is

I don't know who Aaron is. Didn't know we were on a first name basis. Hi My name is Tron. As far as my positon on the system and BRI split I thought it was well stated.

Third, YOU derailed the thread about the CBA with shortened season crap because you wouldnt stop no matter how many times people EXPLAINED with vast clarity that nobody is asking for that, nor would it work...and the main point is, IT WAS OFF TOPIC

It was a CBA thread. I expressed what it was I would like to seen in the new CBA. How is that off topic? After that I just responded to other people who felt the need to question me.

Then you never answered me why you're acting so butt hurt if someone has a problem with the players as if they just shouldnt... Why are you so emotionally involved about why someone doesnt like the players if they dont (which to my knowledge has only been matrix)

I'm not hurt. I just don't understand how the owners are getting a pass for their stubborness.

This is not a condescending opinion the matter, you're not answering facts you're tapdancing around them, asking questions for questions, and when it blows up you're claiming minority report

Just stick with the facts and stop bringing in devisive names like anti-player and all of the things that continue to take the discussion off of the CBA

Devisive names you mean like troll or butt hurt? I think when all your comments dealing with the players are negative or placing the balme at the players feet solely calling somebody anti-player isn't a stretch or offensive. However I will reframe from using it.

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Even still 10 owners arent enough to kill the deal. You need 16 and I think Stern has 16.

San Antonio, LAL, LAC, Chicago, NJ, NY, NO, ATL (because current sale may fall through), OKC, Miami, Orlando, Dallas, Houston, Indiana, Golden State. Thats 15 solid votes for Stern and no one knows the position of Detroit's new owner. Gilbert and/or Sarver could potentially flip too.

The hawks definitely arent in control and thats a good thing at the moment because it would be all out war otherwise

[da ThRONe]

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Yep, I posted those very quotes in the middle of this thread lol

Yeah talking about a complete 180.

[OSUFan_88]

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Decert is only leverage if the owners are fearful of losing a season.

Which is why I'm nervous. There seems to be a large amount of owners who would rather lose the season and get the money rather than compromise and get a deal.

If the owners DO care, I still wouldn't expect a huge concession. If that happens, it will probably be 50/50 with roughly the same rules on MLE and other such things.

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Let them decert... blow it all up

All of it

[OSUFan_88]

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From Howard Beck of the NYT:

To recap: Player faction demands 52%, or decertify union. Owner faction demands staying at 50, or deal gets defeated.

I don't see a deal unless the players blink. And before Da Throne goes ape **** over this statement, it's the truth. The owners don't need the NBA money, thus they don't need to have a season. So if the players need the money, they will have to cave.

I cannot believe that the NBPA is this bullheaded. I cannot see them moving to decertify. But if they do, season over.

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Somebody is lying

@ChrisMannixSI
Chris Mannix
According to a source on both players calls last week, there was no mandate that the union stay at 52 percent of the BRI split