NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[King_B_Mack]

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Still don't see why they don't just go to ten and call it a day. Players aren't going to want to miss checks, owners have the leverage so they can do whatever the hell they want.

[CharliePrince]

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Still don't see why they don't just go to ten and call it a day. Players aren't going to want to miss checks, owners have the leverage so they can do whatever the hell they want.

sort of the problem

the players THINK they got leverage of some sort and it'll be the owners to fold..

Nov 15 cannot come fast enough because then things will get real and missed paychecks = players pissed, let's just go get our millions back and play ball

the magical date begins nov 15, anything before nov 15 is just a mexican standoff

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Hockey dude speaking sobering truth but will likely be ignored

And lol at fisher threatening to sue whitlock

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[da ThRONe]

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There are still not a hard cap, there are still guaranteed contracts, there is no still no major franchise tag (that we know of)....and to most observers, if the owners really wanted to go for the jugular and get these concessions, they would ultimately get them. I'm not on any side but I am smart enough to realize that this is the best deal the players are going to get.

You're right man, it is greed on both sides...but unfortunately for the players the greedy people with the most money usually win. That's the REALITY...and the sooner the players accept it...the sooner we can see some basketball.

I think everybody understands this is where we are in this labor stoppage. What I don't understand is why is it that the NBPA stubbornness is offenses while the NBA stubbornness is completely acceptable? Maybe it is jealousy against the players.

[RedSceptile]

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I don't get it what are they jealous about, how popular these guys are? Can we keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum please.

[The 24th Letter]

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Wow, reading through his stuff, Whitlocks an idiot....makes me want to believe Fisher....lol

[Mintsa]

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Hopefully we get some news today.....isn't the NBAPA meeting today ??

[aholbert32]

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I think everybody understands this is where we are in this labor stoppage. What I don't understand is why is it that the NBPA stubbornness is offenses while the NBA stubbornness is completely acceptable? Maybe it is jealousy against the players.

Its not jealousy and stop trying to spin it that way. No one is saying or has ever said that the NBA's position is completely acceptable or fair. You act as if we live in a world where fair dealing and negotiations are the norm. We don't. This is what happens in a labor negotiation. The side with more leverage usually wins. Thats what happening here.

I expected the owners to do this so I have no reason to be upset with them. They are doing what owners of most business do. What I'm surprised about is that players are willing damage themselves this much over money thats 2 weeks away from being lost for good.

[aholbert32]

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Hopefully we get some news today.....isn't the NBAPA meeting today ??

Yep but that doesn't mean much unless the players are willing to move off of 52% or start taking steps to decertify. They need to make a decision soon because Stern is about 4-5 days away from canceling another two weeks.

[cjonesfan921]

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Once again I hold both parties equally responible now. The owners can just as easily take the high road for the sake of the fans. Because they have the leverage they get a pass. This is what I don't understand. Slogan or no slogan both sides are being stubborn. Wrong is wrong, but yet some people are putting all the blame with the players. I don't understand this when the owners clearly had their agenda, that's if anything is more a fault for the current state of the NBA, yet because they have leverage that makes them the relieves them of their part in all of this? Makes no sense to me.

I'm sorry but if I had hundreds of millions of dollars invested, I would be negotiating hard to get what I feel is fair to ME. That's what the owners are doing. If I owned a business, I wouldn't be making financial decisions to please 'fans' or customers in my point, that would jeopardize my bottom line, business 101.

[DukeC]

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I'm sorry but if I had hundreds of millions of dollars invested, I would be negotiating hard to get what I feel is fair to ME. That's what the owners are doing. If I owned a business, I wouldn't be making financial decisions to please 'fans' or customers in my point, that would jeopardize my bottom line, business 101.

Isn't that what the players are doing also? I'm not antagonizing...just trying to understand the difference between what the owners feel is fair to them and what the players want to keep...

At the end of the day, I know the players have to take paycuts (Since this is essentially what this CBA is). I just think their trying to take the what they feel is the bare minimum...which is 52%. And if what everyone else is saying is true...then from 48-52% anything between that is just an arbitrary number and the only thing stopping both sides is pride.

What's the difference between an extra 2 percentage either way (from 52 to 50 and from 50 to 48)?

[cjonesfan921]

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Isn't that what the players are doing also? I'm not antagonizing...just trying to understand the difference between what the owners feel is fair to them and what the players want to keep...

At the end of the day, I know the players have to take paycuts (Since this is essentially what this CBA is). I just think their trying to take the what they feel is the bare minimum...which is 52%. And if what everyone else is saying is true...then from 48-52% anything between that is just an arbitrary number and the only thing stopping both sides is pride.

What's the difference between an extra 2 percentage either way (from 52 to 50 and from 50 to 48)?

The players don't have money invested into the business. They do MAKE money for it, however. At the end of the day, if the NBA ever falters, the owners lose their whole investment, while players just lose future earnings. They have no capital in the business.

[ScoobySnax]

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I've heard a range of $160MM to $225MM per percentage point. It does equate to a lot.

[The 24th Letter]

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Actually the owners are negotiating what they think is fair...they are negotiating what can further line their pockets...

This whole 50/50 thing isn't necessary for them to operate successfully...that's the number they are set on. They already have built a system they can profit from....this is just as I said before..."hanging on the rim"

Greed. So naw, I'll never support that side of the argument, whether I knew that this was going to happen or not. Maybe if these guys weren't on the friggin Forbes list and NEEDED the NBA to make a living...lol

[cjonesfan921]

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Actually the owners are negotiating what they think is fair...they are negotiating what can further line their pockets...

This whole 50/50 thing isn't necessary for them to operate successfully...that's the number they are set on. They already have built a system they can profit from....this is just as I said before..."hanging on the rim"

Greed. So naw, I'll never support that side of the argument, whether I knew that this was going to happen or not. Maybe if these guys weren't on the friggin Forbes list and NEEDED the NBA to make a living...lol

If you lived your life to where you NEED just that one company to make a living, that's your own fault. And, that's what most of the players have done.