NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[aholbert32]

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Actually the owners are negotiating what they think is fair...they are negotiating what can further line their pockets...

This whole 50/50 thing isn't necessary for them to operate successfully...that's the number they are set on. They already have built a system they can profit from....this is just as I said before..."hanging on the rim"

Greed. So naw, I'll never support that side of the argument, whether I knew that this was going to happen or not. Maybe if these guys weren't on the friggin Forbes list and NEEDED the NBA to make a living...lol

I disagree. I think the owners think 50/50 is fair because they bear all the risk. This is a business. If the Milwaukee Bucks go belly up, Herb Kohl is the one who takes the loss. Andrew Bogut will just sign with another team or be moved to another team.

I have no problem with a business owner trying to get the best deal he can when he takes all the risk. Anyway all this will be moot soon. How did we even get on this whose side are we on BS anyway. Its an f'd up situation and I just want basketball.

[ScoobySnax]

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The players don't have money invested into the business. They do MAKE money for it, however. At the end of the day, if the NBA ever falters, the owners lose their whole investment, while players just lose future earnings. They have no capital in the business.

That's all the owners have to lose as well. The only capital expenditures an owner may have is an arena purchase, practice facility or team planes/vehicles (which isn't too hard to liquidate). Just like a player will lose a chance to play out or earn his full contract value, the owners don't have to pay that money either. They won't lose/or gain anything. They just have what the players want: the money.

I don't care what happens, I just wanna see some basketball being played.

[aholbert32]

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I've heard a range of $160MM to $225MM per percentage point. It does equate to a lot.

It does and the players will lose that amount by the end of November. Thats why they should tap out.

[cjonesfan921]

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That's all the owners have to lose as well. The only capital expenditures an owner may have is an arena purchase, practice facility or team planes/vehicles (which isn't too hard to liquidate). Just like a player will lose a chance to play out or earn his full contract value, the owners don't have to pay that money either. They won't lose/or gain anything. They just have what the players want: the money.

I don't care what happens, I just wanna see some basketball being played.

You're forgetting the money put up to buy the team. That's not chump change at all.

[The 24th Letter]

If you lived your life to where you NEED just that one company to make a living, that's your own fault. And, that's what most of the players have done.

See: 80% of the working class

Many people have lost their jobs in this recession, I don't know of its their "fault" because they needed that company to make a living...

Either way, doesn't really have to do with my point.

[The 24th Letter]

I disagree. I think the owners think 50/50 is fair because they bear all the risk. This is a business. If the Milwaukee Bucks go belly up, Herb Kohl is the one who takes the loss. Andrew Bogut will just sign with another team or be moved to another team.

I have no problem with a business owner trying to get the best deal he can when he takes all the risk. Anyway all this will be moot soon. How did we even get on this whose side are we on BS anyway. Its an f'd up situation and I just want basketball.

I don't know any bankrupt former owners man. If the Bucks go belly up, and Andrew signs with another team, Senator Herb is by no means on the street asking for change.

I agree as a owner you should try to get the best deal....but it was never really about that, they knew they were coming away the "winners" from the jump....it's greed now...and I can't get with that..

Your right though, at the end of the day, I want ball

[cjonesfan921]

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I don't know any bankrupt former owners man. If the Bucks go belly up, and Andrew signs with another team, Senator Herb is by no means on the street asking for change.

I agree as a owner you should try to get the best deal....but it was never really about that, they knew they were coming away the "winners" from the jump....it's greed now...and I can't get with that..

Your right though, at the end of the day, I want ball

If you owned a team, you have a good 500MIL+ invested in that team. What would you do?

I'm sure it is greed, but, even as a fan, I can't blame them.

The NFL was different. There was billions of dollars, everyone was making money, they just wanted more. From all the talk before, most teams were losing money. For all we know, it could be miniscule, or large amounts; which is what the owners claim.

This is why I have no sympathy for the players.

The players are not LOSING money, they are just not getting a chance to EARN it, if we stay locked out. The owners bear all the risk, and as such, I can see where they are coming from.

In the end though, I miss the game. I would have seen the Knicks last night open up with a W.

[aholbert32]

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I don't know any bankrupt former owners man. If the Bucks go belly up, and Andrew signs with another team, Senator Herb is by no means on the street asking for change.

I agree as a owner you should try to get the best deal....but it was never really about that, they knew they were coming away the "winners" from the jump....it's greed now...and I can't get with that..

Your right though, at the end of the day, I want ball

Really? Go to ESPN right now. Go to the MLB section. Or just google Frank McCourt. Most owners dont go bankrupt but some sell their teams at a significant loss or are forced to move because they cant afford to compete in the city they are currently there.

[DukeC]

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Really? Go to ESPN right now. Go to the MLB section. Or just google Frank McCourt. Most owners dont go bankrupt but some sell their teams at a significant loss or are forced to move because they cant afford to compete in the city they are currently there.

Frank McCourt is an idiot though...

But yeah, most owners usually have other business ventures to pay off the debt accumulated once they put up the money to buy a team and or arena. Then they have to do maintainence and the like...

[The 24th Letter]

Really? Go to ESPN right now. Go to the MLB section. Or just google Frank McCourt. Most owners dont go bankrupt but some sell their teams at a significant loss or are forced to move because they cant afford to compete in the city they are currently there.

Not even taking into account that "their" bankrupt isnt "our" bankrupt......this the exception, not the rule lol

[King_B_Mack]

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Didn't Frank McCourt's divorce have more to do with that whole situation than any actual baseball reason? Besides that, baseball owners are the worst of the worst as far as greed and shady accounting practices go.

[ScoobySnax]

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"Sources" say the NBAPA and owners will convene again this weekend.

[WTF]

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Now that's what I don't get... why "this weekend"... why not get to the table, players give in, and we get things started a few days earlier.

[TheMatrix31]

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lol @ the notion that people hate the players because we're jealous of them.

I hate the players because they're pompous idiots who have to be brought down a peg or sixteen. They've acted bigger than the game for years now, and it's only getting worse and worse. Three year plans to meet up in one city while trying to keep the facade of their options being open and this and that. NBA players are the fakest of all.

THATS why I hate the players. And the fact that they have no leverage and are acting like douches every minute of every day pisses me off even more.

[aholbert32]

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Now that's what I don't get... why "this weekend"... why not get to the table, players give in, and we get things started a few days earlier.

NBAPA meeting is today. They need at least a day to fly all the parties into NY.