NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[J_Posse]

Three guys?

Artest
Amar'e
Carmelo
Deron
LeBron
Bosh

And soon to add:

Dwight
CP3

So, yeah, more than "just three guys"

You want to change the entire system because players want to play in - what they believe - are better situations or suited to win sooner? If they smaller markets want to keep the their top-tier talent then they need to build better teams and win (championships). Also, all the best talent can't conceivably play a few teams. They'd be in cap hell quickly and players could under perform, become injured or regress.

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[OSUFan_88]

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I thought it was the escalating players salaries and teams loosing money was the reason why.

And the reason there is so much bickering about who gets the most is because they both think they run the NBA.

You want to change the entire system because players want to play in - what they believe - are better situations or suited to win sooner? If they smaller markets want to keep the their top-tier talent then they need to build better teams and win (championships). Also, all the best talent can't conceivably play a few teams. They'd be in cap hell quickly and players could under perform, become injured or regress.

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I want openness and players not to divide the league up into mini kingdoms. Go wherever you want, just don'to collude and tell players where to go and plan "super team" ahead of time. Or at least be clear that is what you want to do.

[RedSceptile]

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So is it ok for the owners to build these super teams then?

[Dice]

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Yeah but that was more talk than action... the NFL always had more to lose and always guarantee profits much more than the NBA

At this point... again, think about it, it was the players decision to make. Do you really want to play basketball or argue about a few percentage points

I think the NBA has more to loose than the NFL. And that's based on the point you just made. Profitability. The NFL could have sustained a lockout and been ok. They could have played 8 games and they would have still been making money hand over fist. The NBA? Not so much. Those 22 teams loosing money will go up to about 26 when next years financial report by Stern comes through.

NOW, the NFL players maybe have more to loose in their respective league than their NBA counterparts. As was stated before, the NBA players get guaranteed deals and they have an option to play overseas for at least a million a year in the lockout. NFL players have no guaranteed deals and the only options they have is in the case of a lockout is either the CFL or Arena League. Neither league is paying close to what overseas pro basketball leagues are paying.

[OSUFan_88]

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So is it ok for the owners to build these super teams then?

It's their league. It's their money. It's their teams. And it's their ability to sign free agents. however, teams cannot collude with or against players. But player can collude with or against teams.

Just saying, make it uniform.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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you assumed correctly, I applaud you....

I kept hope alive because the people actually close to the situation kept hope alive....as far as I know none of us were in that room negotiating. When the NFL stuff was going on, there plenty doom and gloom reports. We dont know **** until its deal or no deal....but once again, you called it, thats whats up lol...

Ahhh so you and Dice were basically optimistic because you were HEARING things that kept hope alive as opposed to seeing that really....NOTHING had changed at all throughout this whole thing. Well, except sell ya'll on some false hope that something was gonna get done just because the NBA was getting back to it's Jordan Levels as far as popularity(which BTW we see how much both of them really care about that)

And again for the NFL, anybody with a brain knew they weren't going to miss games because of the amount of $$$ involved(which is ALOT compared to what these dudes are fussing over)and because Owners couldn't afford to lose a season. So despite all the "doom and gloom reports" that were coming out, nobody really believed a season was going to get lost(and if they did then that just tells me they don't understand the basic economics of how it works there). None of us had to be in there to understand that part just like none of us had to be there to know that neither the Players or the Owners didn't care about sacrificing a season or two to show who has a bigger set of ****s here.

But hey, if hearing fancy words is your thing then who am I to knock you for it my dude LOL

[TheMatrix31]

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At the end of the day we are all on the same side. Not the players, not the owners, but we are all on the side of the fans. Without us, the NBA is nothing.

I'm starting to not be on that side either. And I'm sure there are many, many more with me.

[Altimus]

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Steve Nash and his rants about the owners floating propaganda out there. Oh man...

Hate it or love it but social media makes the lockout a lot more interesting.

[Altimus]

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I'm starting to not be on that side either. And I'm sure there are many, many more with me.

At the end of the day Matrix, you're just alone.

[TheMatrix31]

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Steve Nash and his rants about the owners floating propaganda out there. Oh man...

Hate it or love it but social media makes the lockout a lot more interesting.

**** Steve Nash.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Barganing Agreement Discussion

Steve Nash and his rants about the owners floating propaganda out there. Oh man...

Hate it or love it but social media makes the lockout a lot more interesting.

He's either losing his damn mind or he's just a really bad liar.

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**** Steve Nash.

Trade him to the toronto raptors lol

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[TheMatrix31]

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He's either losing his damn mind or he's just a really bad liar.

Nah, it's just his world view.

[The 24th Letter]

Ahhh so you and Dice were basically optimistic because you were HEARING things that kept hope alive as opposed to seeing that really....NOTHING had changed at all throughout this whole thing. Well, except sell ya'll on some false hope that something was gonna get done just because the NBA was getting back to it's Jordan Levels as far as popularity(which BTW we see how much both of them really care about that)

And again for the NFL, anybody with a brain knew they weren't going to miss games because of the amount of $$$ involved(which is ALOT compared to what these dudes are fussing over)and because Owners couldn't afford to lose a season. So despite all the "doom and gloom reports" that were coming out, nobody really believed a season was going to get lost(and if they did then that just tells me they don't understand the basic economics of how it works there). None of us had to be in there to understand that part just like none of us had to be there to know that neither the Players or the Owners didn't care about sacrificing a season or two to show who has a bigger set of ****s here.

But hey, if hearing fancy words is your thing then who am I to knock you for it my dude LOL

Lol @ you capitalizing hearing like you were in the bargaining room first hand....you shouldve gave us more inside if that was the case man...WTF were we posting tweets from Wo, Sheridan for? forget they had access to people in the room, we got Pack...whats your twitter handle?

and yeah, its easy to pull the "I knew from the beginning" card now that we see what happened....the Mavs are winning the '11 Finals BTW.

Lol @ "fancy words"

[Dice]

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Ahhh so you and Dice were basically optimistic because you were HEARING things that kept hope alive as opposed to seeing that really....NOTHING had changed at all throughout this whole thing. Well, except sell ya'll on some false hope that something was gonna get done just because the NBA was getting back to it's Jordan Levels as far as popularity(which BTW we see how much both of them really care about that)

And again for the NFL, anybody with a brain knew they weren't going to miss games because of the amount of $$$ involved(which is ALOT compared to what these dudes are fussing over)and because Owners couldn't afford to lose a season. So despite all the "doom and gloom reports" that were coming out, nobody really believed a season was going to get lost(and if they did then that just tells me they don't understand the basic economics of how it works there). None of us had to be in there to understand that part just like none of us had to be there to know that neither the Players or the Owners didn't care about sacrificing a season or two to show who has a bigger set of ****s here.

But hey, if hearing fancy words is your thing then who am I to knock you for it my dude LOL

Nothing wrong in believing that sensibility would prevail in this situation. I myself care about basketball more than any other sport. That's just me. Basketball is my first sports love. So if you want to knock me for hoping that players and owners wouldn't **** up a good thing, then go ahead. And if you want kudos for calling the lockout, then more power to you.

Right now, I could care less about who's on what side. I could care less about business aspect of the game. I could care less who was right or wrong on predicting the lockout and it's effects. I could care less what Steve Nash has to say. I could care less what David Stern has to say. I just want basketball!