NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

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Dont say that yet. No reason they cant continue to meet Friday and this weekend. No jewish holidays and no other meetings scheduled that conflict with the meetings.

I know they could still negotiate but they wont move forward without him

[aholbert32]

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I know they could still negotiate but they wont move forward without him

I promise you he will be back tomorrow even if he has to be in a bubble.

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LOL, knowing him im sure he will, I just dont see anything resolved by the weekend unless they work through the weekend also

[tehova]

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Stern gotta pull out a Jordan flu game and get it done, it'll be a recreateable moment in 2k13

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I had posted this in the middle of the Leon po Powe stuff, but I didnt see where it was agreed upon

Cohen said players and owners met in a variety of settings during mediation, sometimes in subcommittees, other times in groups as large as 40 people. "Everyone is extremely focused on the core issues, the difficult issues that confront them," he said. Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard that the owners are once again offering a 49-51 range of the basketball-related income to the players. That is essentially where the players would get a minimum of 49 percent of BRI or a max of 51 percent depending on how much revenue the league takes in that year. Although some of the system issues differ in this offer by the owners, the players are likely to reject a 49-51 band just as they did two weeks ago. ESPN.com

[OSUFan_88]

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just because stern was sent home doesn't mean he is not still negotiating.

telecommunications are so good right now that he could still be meeting with them face to face right now. ain't no one want to be in the same room with a dude that has the flu.

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Yeah he'll be around for teleconference

If he really has the flu though, he wont be pulling all nighters

[tehova]

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Stern is gonna fall asleep early













Only to turn on the tv and see Adam Silver at a press conference getting all the credit for solving the lockout



He would probably cancel the season out of spite

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Would Guido overstep his boss' boundaries?

Don't think for a second Stern wouldn't have some unknown invited guests in the meeting watching whats going on lol

[OSUFan_88]

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Y! Sources: The owners and players are closing in on agreement on new mid-level exception.

From the Woj.

[LingeringRegime]

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Stern gotta pull out a Jordan flu game and get it done, it'll be a recreateable moment in 2k13

The Frozen Envelope has to be #1.

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From the Woj.

NBA players and owners resumed mediation for a third straight day as several smaller issues in the labor talks are starting to fall into place, sources involved and with knowledge of the discussions told Yahoo! Sports.

NBA commissioner David Stern isn’t attending Thursday’s mediation session after being sent home in the morning with the flu. Stern will continue to participate in the talks via phone, deputy commissioner Adam Silver said.

The league and players union made some progress in smaller issues in the first two days of mediation. Among them:

• The two sides are nearing a compromise on the annual midlevel exception starting at $5 million with annual raises over three years, sources told Y! Sports. Two weeks ago, the NBA was proposing a $3 million starting salary for the midlevel.
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In previous days, the owners and players agreed on starting the midlevel exception at $4.8 million. Two sides had differed on the length of contracts teams could offer players with the exception, as well as the percentage of annual increase. The players were willing to reduce the maximum length of midlevel deals from five years to four, but the owners wanted the length dropped to three years.

Now, they’re close to compromising on a $5 million starting salary with a maximum length of three years.

• The owners also are proposing a “bonus pool” of money for high-achieving young players with performance-based incentives. Under the proposal, players would be rewarded for winning Rookie of the Year and making All-Star teams and other accomplishments. The union wants young stars such as the Chicago Bulls’ Derrick Rose(notes) and Los Angeles Clippers’ Blake Griffin
(notes), who have out-earned their
rookie-scale contracts, to have quicker access to more lucrative extensions. Currently, a rookie contract can be renegotiated between the third and fourth seasons, and goes into affect after the fourth and final year of the initial deal.

• As CBS Sports reported, the proposed amnesty clause that will allow teams to cut loose one problematic contract per team at the conclusion of the lockout will allow for teams to have 75 percent of the money taken off the salary cap over the length of the deal. The player will become a free agent, and the team will have only 25 percent of his annual salary on the books going forward. Players will still receive the full amount of money they’re owed under the contract.

The biggest hurdle left in discussions for the new amnesty clause, sources told Y! Sports, is how long teams will have to pay the player the money owed him. Will it be over two years, five years, seven years? The teams want the bought-out player to be paid over a longer period of time, while the union wants the money paid in shorter order. This is an area where a compromise will easily be found, sources said.

On Wednesday, the owners and players also narrowed the gap between them on the league’s revenue split. As long expected, the two sides moved closer to a “50-50 split, give or take a point with ranges based on revenue performance,” one source said.

While the league’s owners and players made progress in Wednesday’s 8½-hour mediation session, one source involved in the talks was hesitant to characterize it as a “breakthrough” moment, saying system issues could again derail talks.

The biggest obstacle between the two sides remains the luxury tax proposals to punish big-spending teams and discourage them from overpaying players. The NBA wants to limit players’ “Larry Bird Rights” they enjoy now by forbidding teams to go over the cap to pay their current players. They also want to restrict teams over the cap from using the midlevel and biannual exceptions to sign players on an every-year basis. The players contend the restrictions will act as a de facto hard salary cap.

Thursday’s mediation began shortly after the end of the owners’ board of governors meeting in which the owners had a “robust” discussion on revenue sharing, Silver said. Silver didn’t reveal specifics on the proposal saying the structure of the new revenue-sharing system remains contingent on the completion of a new collective bargaining agreement with the players.

Silver also didn’t rule out the NBA still putting together an 82-game schedule even though the league has already canceled the first two weeks of the season. He said only that it’s “unclear” whether the 29 arenas the league uses would have flexible-enough dates to create a full schedule.

The NBA and Players Association have met with federal mediator George Cohen for more than 24 hours over three days, including a 16-hour session on Tuesday. They suspended talks Wednesday evening to allow the league’s owners to meet. Cohen said the discussions between the two sides have been “direct and constructive.”

During a media tour last week, Stern said he would consider canceling more games – possibly through Christmas – if a new labor agreement wasn’t reached by Tuesday. The ongoing mediation sessions appear to have forced Stern to at least table those plans.

From the same guy also

[OSUFan_88]

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Sounds like most of the hard to work through issues are done with or close to being done with.

My guess is that we get the fanfare press conference tomorrow with both sides saying that they have a deal they both think is fair and then both sides go off for a vote.

[da ThRONe]

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NBA players and owners resumed mediation for a third straight day as several smaller issues in the labor talks are starting to fall into place, sources involved and with knowledge of the discussions told Yahoo! Sports.

NBA commissioner David Stern isn’t attending Thursday’s mediation session after being sent home in the morning with the flu. Stern will continue to participate in the talks via phone, deputy commissioner Adam Silver said.

The league and players union made some progress in smaller issues in the first two days of mediation. Among them:

• The two sides are nearing a compromise on the annual midlevel exception starting at $5 million with annual raises over three years, sources told Y! Sports. Two weeks ago, the NBA was proposing a $3 million starting salary for the midlevel.
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In previous days, the owners and players agreed on starting the midlevel exception at $4.8 million. Two sides had differed on the length of contracts teams could offer players with the exception, as well as the percentage of annual increase. The players were willing to reduce the maximum length of midlevel deals from five years to four, but the owners wanted the length dropped to three years.

Now, they’re close to compromising on a $5 million starting salary with a maximum length of three years.

• The owners also are proposing a “bonus pool” of money for high-achieving young players with performance-based incentives. Under the proposal, players would be rewarded for winning Rookie of the Year and making All-Star teams and other accomplishments. The union wants young stars such as the Chicago Bulls’ Derrick Rose(notes) and Los Angeles Clippers’ Blake Griffin
(notes), who have out-earned their
rookie-scale contracts, to have quicker access to more lucrative extensions. Currently, a rookie contract can be renegotiated between the third and fourth seasons, and goes into affect after the fourth and final year of the initial deal.

• As CBS Sports reported, the proposed amnesty clause that will allow teams to cut loose one problematic contract per team at the conclusion of the lockout will allow for teams to have 75 percent of the money taken off the salary cap over the length of the deal. The player will become a free agent, and the team will have only 25 percent of his annual salary on the books going forward. Players will still receive the full amount of money they’re owed under the contract.

The biggest hurdle left in discussions for the new amnesty clause, sources told Y! Sports, is how long teams will have to pay the player the money owed him. Will it be over two years, five years, seven years? The teams want the bought-out player to be paid over a longer period of time, while the union wants the money paid in shorter order. This is an area where a compromise will easily be found, sources said.

On Wednesday, the owners and players also narrowed the gap between them on the league’s revenue split. As long expected, the two sides moved closer to a “50-50 split, give or take a point with ranges based on revenue performance,” one source said.

While the league’s owners and players made progress in Wednesday’s 8½-hour mediation session, one source involved in the talks was hesitant to characterize it as a “breakthrough” moment, saying system issues could again derail talks.

The biggest obstacle between the two sides remains the luxury tax proposals to punish big-spending teams and discourage them from overpaying players. The NBA wants to limit players’ “Larry Bird Rights” they enjoy now by forbidding teams to go over the cap to pay their current players. They also want to restrict teams over the cap from using the midlevel and biannual exceptions to sign players on an every-year basis. The players contend the restrictions will act as a de facto hard salary cap.

Thursday’s mediation began shortly after the end of the owners’ board of governors meeting in which the owners had a “robust” discussion on revenue sharing, Silver said. Silver didn’t reveal specifics on the proposal saying the structure of the new revenue-sharing system remains contingent on the completion of a new collective bargaining agreement with the players.

Silver also didn’t rule out the NBA still putting together an 82-game schedule even though the league has already canceled the first two weeks of the season. He said only that it’s “unclear” whether the 29 arenas the league uses would have flexible-enough dates to create a full schedule.

The NBA and Players Association have met with federal mediator George Cohen for more than 24 hours over three days, including a 16-hour session on Tuesday. They suspended talks Wednesday evening to allow the league’s owners to meet. Cohen said the discussions between the two sides have been “direct and constructive.”

During a media tour last week, Stern said he would consider canceling more games – possibly through Christmas – if a new labor agreement wasn’t reached by Tuesday. The ongoing mediation sessions appear to have forced Stern to at least table those plans.

From the same guy also

Glad to see things shaping up. I just don't understand all these attempts at an "de facto" hard caps. Just do a ****ing hard cap!

[OSUFan_88]

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Glad to see things shaping up. I just don't understand all these attempts at an "de facto" hard caps. Just do a ****ing hard cap!

That won't happen as long as the players and owners are both willing to have a season.