NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[TheMatrix31]

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If you could care less, you would.

You COULDN'T care less.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Lol @ you capitalizing hearing like you were in the bargaining room first hand....you shouldve gave us more inside if that was the case man

We gotta be in the room first hand to use common sense and connect the dots ourselves?

WTF were we posting tweets from Wo, Sheridan for?

Because apparently, correct me if I'm wrong, "they gave you hope".

and yeah, its easy to pull the "I knew from the beginning" card now that we see what happened....the Mavs are winning the '11 Finals BTW.

Not really because the writing was there to tell you that they weren't going to put their egos aside to get a deal done just because the Fans want an 82 game season.

Oh and how many games and who'd they beat? And did Deron win MVP because that's more important than knowing if the Mavs repeat.

[Altimus]

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We gotta be in the room first hand to use common sense and connect the dots ourselves?


Because apparently, correct me if I'm wrong, "they gave you hope".


Not really because the writing was there to tell you that they weren't going to put their egos aside to get a deal done just because the Fans want an 82 game season.

Oh and how many games and who'd they beat? And did Deron win MVP because that's more important than knowing if the Mavs repeat.

Who cares about that... hook us up with some Lotto numbers Dice.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn1FoJJmAx8 - Lotto Numbers in Chicago Area

Ya'll want the weather for the next few days also?

[clipperfan811]

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I disagree - that's where it does matter. They're not just the meat - they're the potatoes, the wine, the creme brulee...all of it. The employers only contribution is money and their earning power is in perpetuity as long as they choose to hold on to a franchise. Most players are lucky to have a good 5 year career and have to maximize while their value is high.

It's not a matter of deserves because I think we can all agree that no one deserves this much money. It sickens me and has taken a lot of the joy pro sports brought to me as a kid but if you believe that people deserve to make whatever someone is willing to pay them, then I think you have to agree that LBJ would've gotten the richest sporting contract in the history of US sports. The only reason he isn't is because of an artificial cap on earning that is un-American.

Yes it's true that the players are extremely talented and most of them work very hard at what they're doing but the owners put a massive amount of shine on the whole thing, they allow the players to play in front of tens of thousands of energy producing fans, with music and and video intros and fireworks in top notch arenas.

The good owners go out and put the right sort of teams out there and spend their money to pay the right combination of players. The NBA is bigger than the players, it's about the teams, the cities, the competition. That's where the players have their minds twisted, they have 40 dudes in their ear since they're in highschool that are constantly telling them, "You're the main event, a star, bigger than life itself".

I"m not saying I totally support the owners side or am totally against the players, at the end I care about basketball. At this point in all this, it's more about egos than anything. The most logical thing I've heard in awhile is this whole analysis about how losing a few months worth of revenue adds up to almost as much money as the total difference from 53% to 50% over the life of the deal.

That right there ought to ring some bells for everyone involved. At the end of the day I know the owners are going to be fine losing games and many would be better off. I know that the top level guys are going to be fine, hell even mid-level guys should be fine and if they're not that's a major mismanagement of funds on their part. What really gets me is all the outside people who will be affected by this greedy egotistical bickering. Business owners near arenas, their employees, arena employees ect.

Everyone involved is playing with fire in this whole situation. I'd hate to have to stop supporting the NBA just for the principle in the matter but if this drags on I really feel hardcore fan backlash is not only warranted but called for.

As far as being paid what someone is willing to pay, that's fine but then you need to get rid of salary caps and if you think small market teams are crying now, they might as well contract and be done with it. You could have like 10 teams all paying a few guys 70 million a year and charging $200 for the cheap seats.

On this whole 50/50 split not really being a 50/50 split.

The top level guys already get paid generously by their teams and make much more on endorsements. Do teams ask players to count their endorsement income as part of their share of the pie? Nope but it's not fair for the owners to subtract a few things from the revenue pie, right? And before someone says something about it.... it's not the same as the owners having income from other business ventures because players have those too.




Ok rant over

[TheMatrix31]

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The news broke 2 hours ago and the only basketball related trending topic in the United States is "Chris Broussard"

The majority of the public is pissed yet doesn't care.

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To be fair the arena workers have plenty of events to work at from hockey games to concerts to gatherings....the nba is not the only source of work and income....



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[clipperfan811]

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To be fair the arena workers have plenty of events to work at from hockey games to concerts to gatherings....the nba is not the only source of work and income....



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And I sincerely hope that all of these arenas can book events on short notice so that these people don't miss many days of work. It just sucks because a lot of people live pretty tight and a few less days of work is the difference between staying above water or not.

I think it's important for the fans to let everyone know that we're not happy. Check out the blog I wrote on this a few weeks go.

http://www.operationsports.com/clipperfan811/blog/14713-lockout-backlash/

[yankeesgiants]

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Being a big market doesn't just rely on population. Yes, it has a huge part in it, but the most relevance when they talk about a "huge market" is being in a city that has many great sports teams, a large media outlet, and a team that sells out every game. Toronto is a huge place, but that might be the only thing they have going for them. Middle level attendance, I don't think Canada hurts them, it's more the media part of it. I feel like someday, Toronto is going to get sick of the Raps, mainly because their attendance has slowly gone down. I have a feeling we won't have any Canadian teams at some point in the near future. Anyways, back to the lockout, not talking about the big markets...haha

Actually a big market does rely on population. Because the majority of the advertising dollars come from lage markets who rates are determined by households with a T.V. Toronto is the 4th biggest media market in North America because it includes Hamilton and Niagara Falls. So for them and other large markets, the Local TV and Radio deals superseed attendence. For a team like New Orleans (54th) it's the opposite. Media Market size are important for national advertisers who will tell you that we will only advertise in top 10 or 20 markets. That is the sole reason Toronto has a team.

Here is the current media market size rankings: http://www.tvb.org/media/file/TVB_Ma..._DMA_RANKS.pdf

[TheMatrix31]

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Once I get a resolution on whether I get this Suns reporter position thing, I'm going to go off on the players on Twitter. Just watch.

They'll ALL know what I think.

[The 24th Letter]

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twitter ether...thatll keep em up @ night!

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And I sincerely hope that all of these arenas can book events on short notice so that these people don't miss many days of work. It just sucks because a lot of people live pretty tight and a few less days of work is the difference between staying above water or not.

I think it's important for the fans to let everyone know that we're not happy. Check out the blog I wrote on this a few weeks go.

http://www.operationsports.com/clipperfan811/blog/14713-lockout-backlash/

Stuff is already booked in advance.. nba teams are only in town half the season

[TheMatrix31]

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twitter ether...thatll keep em up @ night!

I don't care what they do or don't do or what people think or don't think in general. I'm going to voice my opinion to whoever I need to voice my opinion to regardless. You've known me for four, five years now. That's how I am. You should know I couldn't care less if they respond.

[King_B_Mack]

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I do gotta ask though Matrix. Why the hell are you going for a job with the Suns? It seems like you generally hate the players, you hate the owners, you hate the NBA as a whole...it just seems like working for an NBA franchise makes no sense at all. Seems like your talents would be better off at ESPN so you can spit your venom there and get paid like guys like Bayless or Cowherd. No offense with those names, just the most controversial/infamous guys they have and your opinions would definitely qualify you for that.

[TheMatrix31]

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I do gotta ask though Matrix. Why the hell are you going for a job with the Suns? It seems like you generally hate the players, you hate the owners, you hate the NBA as a whole...it just seems like working for an NBA franchise makes no sense at all. Seems like your talents would be better off at ESPN so you can spit your venom there and get paid like guys like Bayless or Cowherd. No offense with those names, just the most controversial/infamous guys they have and your opinions would definitely qualify you for that.

I have to go where the jobs are. Regardless of how I feel about the current state of the team and league, I still obviously love my team and I love the game itself. I love that its the Suns that are offering this awesome position.

If I can somehow get into the organization through a position like this, then try to work my way up, I think I could have a positive influence.

That may be a delusion of grandeur, but it's my thinking.