NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[Court_vision]

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Simple reality is hitting home.........no deal by Wednesday = no season.

I really can't believe how much of a mess both sides have made of this. Pride + greed + millionaires = sickening.

No season = they'll lose me as a fan for a long time.

[TheMatrix31]

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What "mess" are the owners making out of this? The deal that they're offering from now until Wednesday has WAY more than should be in there that can be considered positives for players, given that they have all the leverage and the players have none.

[Wasabi808]

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Simple reality is hitting home.........no deal by Wednesday = no season.

I really can't believe how much of a mess both sides have made of this. Pride + greed + millionaires = sickening.

No season = they'll lose me as a fan for a long time.

Agreed, it is pretty sickening. Getting real tired of the two sides squabbling over this going back & forth. I can say they've lost me already. To be honest, I'd be glad to see the season get cancelled so we can start hearing less & less of this bickering from both sides & let reality set in. The MLB just got done with an excellent lead into the playoffs & a World Series which was just as good if not better, the NFL is in full steam ahead, college football just had an awesome 1 vs 2 game that lived up to the hype imo, & college basketball is just starting up. I for one couldn't care less about the NBA season already...

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KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern: The mediator made sort of a 'what if' recommendation to both sides including six subjects .

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Stern: we had a long day today..in the course of the evening the mediator made a what if recommend on 6 subj, Inc BRI...

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern: Coen suggested 49-51 BRI band for BRI ... mini mid-level $2.5M for 2-year deal for tax payers ... recommended no s&t for tax payers

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KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern on decert: I don't think the alleged phone calls I read about had any impact on our committee.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Stern says NBA adopted 5 of 6 suggestions of compromises by mediator, and would be "amenable" to making deal on that until Wednesday.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern: We hoped they would accept it and would be amenable to it by the close of business on Wednesday ...

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern: If no deal by Wednesday, we will be making a "new proposal" ... a 47 percent proposal and a flex cap ...

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
League will hold offer until close of business Wednesday, then go back to 47 percent BRI/flex cap proposal from before..

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern: We hope that this juxtaposition will cause the union to reassess its position and accept the deal.

ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
Wow. Stern just laid it bare. Take the deal on the table now by Wednesday or we go back to 47% and flex cap.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Stern says if no deal by Wednesday, he threatens 47 percent on BRI, a flex cap and worse.

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Stern says union attorney rejected proposals from Cohen and league...

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern: Mr. Kessler rejected mediator's suggestions and our proposal. But hope springs eternal and we would love for the players to accept.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Stern says that union attorney, Jeff Kessler, rejected the compromise deal.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern: Kessler rejected "virtually everything."

ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
Stern attempting to paint union lawyer, Kessler, as the intransigent villain here.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Stern: "This offer will be on table until Wednesday, and then we will have another proposal..."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern: This offer will be on the table until Wednesday, the close of business.

alanhahn Alan Hahn
Stern says Cohen presented framework for deal, owners accepted, union's Jeffrey Kessler rejected. Offer stays on table until Wed. #NBA #fb

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Stern on Wednesday deadline: "We want to allow enough time for union to consider most recent proposal, and we are hopeful they accept it."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern: I think certainly Billy and I shared both our frustration and a sadness and Mr. Kessler himself said it was a sad state of events.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern, asked if can get this passed by owners, said, "Yes."

daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Stern: I think Billy and I shared a frustration and a sadness ... The two sides tried but we couldn't breach the gap

HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
David Stern says union rejected, at least initially, a slate of compromises suggested by mediator and adopted by NBA.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern: No sign and trade for tax payers.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Owners drop-dead offer includes no sign-and-trade for taxpaying teams.

HowardBeckNYT Howard Beck
Proposal, with a 49-51 "band" of revenue for players, will be on table until Weds. After that, NBA will propose 47% for players, Stern sez

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern says deal on table would come "closer than our current system" and "the best we could do at this time. We're prepared to live by them"

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Stern: "They wanted a mid-level that was regular mid-level for tax payers every other year, wanted sign and trade for taxpayers..."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Stern said Kessler offered other options to consider. "They wanted mid-level that was regular mid-level every other year ..."

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Once again, Stern has taken complete control of labor talks. With sense union is crumbling, he gives dropdead, take-it-or-leave it offer.

[rockchisler]

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uh i posted that link when the presser first started and that was a while ago.............

It was still on, they had the guys in the studio talking to the reporters there, it just went off bout 30 min ago..

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daldridgetnt David Aldridge
BRI would be 49-51 band. If revenues are as expected, players get 59. If better, 51. If worse, 49.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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I've been lurking in this thread and waiting patiently to read the news that the lockout is over. I figured the players would've come to their senses by now and accepted the owners proposal, but apparently they're too dumb to know what's good for them. I'm getting to the point where I'm beginning to accept that their might not be a season. I hope that the players respond to this ultimatum and put an end to the drama, but I'm not holding my breath.

The way the players are standing their ground is pure comedy. They have no leverage and no chance of winning this battle. It's almost as if they think that folding their arms and staring at the owners real hard across the negotiating table is going to make a difference. That's basically all their bringing to the discussion right now. They need to come to the realization that the cards just aren't in their hand on this one. Everybody else has.

[Taur3asi3]

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daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Just head from source in contact with owners: "Stern does not have the votes above 50 & he is trying to find a way to make it acceptable"...

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Y! Sources: As Stern makes drop-dead offer to players, agents working to gauge player votes for decertifcation.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: Today is anoher very sad day for our fans, for arena wokers, parking lot attendants, our vendors. Very frustrating, sad day.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: We are at a lost for why we could not close it out with the moves we made toward the league.

alanhahn Alan Hahn
No Billy Hunter at #NBPA presser. Said to be "under the weather" and losing his voice. Fisher talking, Kessler present.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher: "We made true, good faith efforts to get deal done tonight, and we're at a loss for why we could not close it out..."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: We made moves that were extremely significant. We made economic moves that were a genuine attempt to close the gap.

sam_amick Sam Amick
Agree RT @SBRadio If deal presented by Stern put 2 vote by players I'd think it would get majority favor. Many players want 2 make deal.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: We moved towards the NBA and put together a package, an offer ... around a 51 percent deal.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher says players offered a 51 percent deal to NBA.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: A portion of 51 perent would go towards a new benefits program that would significantly impact the lives of retired players.

ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
Players are down to 51% now, per Fisher. So...

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher: "We believed that the economics should've been over at that point..."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: If we continue to try to meet you on the economics, we need a fair system.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher says union has been told "we could ot see losing the season over the syystem."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher characterizes owners' offer as "ultimatum" with "a system that is not a fair system."

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher says that players wanted "a fair system" with willingness to drop to 51 percent on revenue split and owners wouldn't do it.

ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
The two sides, are, basically, one percentage point apart on BRI. Perhaps not even, given various revenue possibilities.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: We've made the effort ... It just doesn't seem to be good enough for this particular group of owners.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher: "We're not sure if it's the commissioner himself, or number of individual team owners who are driving this conversation..."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher says mediator never actually proposed any formal ideas or concepts.

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher: "The mediator never actually proposed any formal ideas, or concepts. He did suggest, 'What ifs..."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: What the mediator did suggest to us were what he called 'what ifs.'

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher: "We disagree with the idea that the NBA adopted these positions...."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher says players were not given chance to formally respond to these what-ifs. Says owners broke off talks with ultimatum.

Monroe_SA Mike Monroe by sam_amick
Yep RT @MrMichaelLee If players decide to decertify, eliminate season, they honestly can't expect to get better deal next year

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: "There's no way in the world we'd ever get to 51. So it's not a band."

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher: "We did not get sense that they came here with intent to get this deal done..."

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: We just did not get the sense that they had the intent to get this deal done. We were prepared to stay here til the sun came up.

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Fisher: We've been given the ultimatum and our answer is that's not acceptable to us.

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[cmebfresh]

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NBA Cares right ? Funny.........smh

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ZachLowe_SI Zach Lowe
Fisher: "Not sure" why the two sides would meet before Wednesday, given what Fisher calls Stern's "ultimatum."

rosssiler Ross Siler by sam_amick
You've got 50/50 BRI split, guaranteed contracts, version of midlevel exception. This is all more than what I thought players would get.

KauffmanSports Steve Kauffman by ZachLowe_SI
Beyond absurd if only S&T kills deal. Guess opt-out Wayne Embry & I created for John Battle is gone? I'm cool with that. lol

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Fisher: "We anticipated that we would be here, that the NBA and teams would lock us out as long as they needed to get what they want..."

RicBucher Ric Bucher
NBA Players appear to be standing at the corner of Fleeced Avenue and Blow-it-Up Boulevard. With a No U-Turn sign staring them in the face.

[cmebfresh]

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http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2011/11/06/20111105_fisher_statement.mov.nba

this made me throw up for real. Notice no players behind him this time

[Taur3asi3]

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Derek Fisher legitimately might be the worst labor union leader in history.