NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

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Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

I'm talking about the BRI.

I know the Owners have ALL the leverage, as I've stated many times, but I'm also not naive to the fact they don't want to get a deal done either. But if you're going to sacrifice the season because you don't have ALL 100% of the leverage, then they can **** off too for all I care, including The Russian, who I've heard is willing to sacrifice a season even though a lost year would hurt his team even more then sitting in Jersey for a few more years.

Just curious

You'd leave the system as is, even with the loopholes and issues its been causing?

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

No.

But I also know this isn't about "fixing the issues" anymore.

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It might not be now although thats apart of it but it never had to come to this

There is a such thing as waiting too long to run for the border

the nba cares just not about you

That goes for all of them

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[aholbert32]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

I'm talking about the BRI.

I know the Owners have ALL the leverage, as I've stated many times, but I'm also not naive to the fact they don't want to get a deal done either. But if you're going to sacrifice the season because you don't have ALL 100% of the leverage, then they can **** off too for all I care, including The Russian, who I've heard is willing to sacrifice a season even though a lost year would hurt his team even more then sitting in Jersey for a few more years.

My point is you say Fisher wants to make a deal and my counter is he wouldn't offer 51 with no or very few system changes if he wanted to make a deal. He knows that won't fly with the owners even if they weren't playing hardball with them.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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So what's the deal that Fisher proposed to them last night that's being "reported"?

[TN3LL]

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Most tweets by reporters are vets (who have proably made a nice chunk of money of the years) are the ones not wanting to accept the deal and wanting to "blow *bleep* to the moon" like one vet said.

[OSUFan_88]

To those who are saying that leverage doesn't matter:

Do you believe that the players can do better than this deal on the table?

[The 24th Letter]

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Outside of the courts getting involved? No.

I'm pretty sure no one said leverage didn't matter though....I know a few like myself **** on the owners for abusing that leverage, but I think we are all well aware leverage is essential to negotiation..

[OSUFan_88]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

Outside of the courts getting involved? No.

I'm pretty sure no one said leverage didn't matter though....I know a few like myself **** on the owners for abusing that leverage, but I think we are all well aware leverage is essential to negotiation..

You believe the courts are going to give the players leverage?

[The 24th Letter]

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We had this discussion a few pages back... lol

The courts CAN absolutely give the players leverage.....more that that, they can give them a win.

Will they? Don't know. and many say its unlikely, but no one knows. Me? I don't think the players are willing to give up the season in the first place though.

[aholbert32]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

So what's the deal that Fisher proposed to them last night that's being "reported"?

The deal he offered was 51% with no further system changes. Owners rejected it. Mediatior suggested a band of 49-51. Players rejected that.

[OSUFan_88]

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We had this discussion a few pages back... lol

The courts CAN absolutely give the players leverage.....more that that, they can give them a win.

Will they? Don't know. and many say its unlikely, but no one knows. Me? I don't think the players are willing to give up the season in the first place though.

The courts could give them leverage, but a court case on this likely wouldn't be settled until 2013.

[aholbert32]

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My issue with the union is this: If you decertify, you are guaranteeing that you lose this season and maybe more. That means that not only is each player losing a year's salary BUT they are also losing one year of their career (average career is 3 seasons) AND the amount that its fighting over (1%) is practically already gone because of the cancelled November games and soon to be cancelled December games.

So putting aside the fact that they have little to no leverage...the biggest problem is its only about principal right now.

[TN3LL]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
League source tells me , "If players don't accept 50 (BRI) by Wednesday, they'll never see it again - at least not for a few years."

[OSUFan_88]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

My issue with the union is this: If you decertify, you are guaranteeing that you lose this season and maybe more. That means that not only is each player losing a year's salary BUT they are also losing one year of their career (average career is 3 seasons) AND the amount that its fighting over (1%) is practically already gone because of the cancelled November games and soon to be cancelled December games.

So putting aside the fact that they have little to no leverage...the biggest problem is its only about principal right now.

To be fair, let's look at the amount we are fighting over.

- 1% of the BRI, which is roughly $40 million this year and $260 million over the life of the deal. They have already lost $800 million over cancelling games.

- amount paid when going over lux tax. By the way, they are arguing over the same system. Players want lux tax to start at $0.50 when owners go over eventually rising to $1.00, owners want $1.00 when owners go over.

- Sign and trades for teams over the cap. By the way, only 5 S&T's have happened for teams over the cap since 1996. And no, LeBron was not one of them.

It's so infuriating that personal pride is getting in the way here. The fact that Stern cannot go over 50 to make a deal, or the fact that the players are threatening a strategy that would be mind numbing and literally ruin a season and end careers is just appalling. It's worse that the owners and players are not in a room, right now, trying to work on a deal either.

Jeff Kessler is a douche. And the Hardline owners are not much better.

**** this company.