NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[TN3LL]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

Found this on realgm

Prominent Agent Promises To Never Send Another Player To Bobcats
Nov 07, 2011 1:42 PM EST


One prominent NBA agent responded angrily to news that Michael Jordan is leading a group of hardline owners in labor negotiations with players.

The agent said that Jordan's position is hypocritical and he would never send another one of his players to the Bobcats.

"The guys are going bananas," another agent with several star players said Sunday night.

Via David Aldridge/NBA.com


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1d39poYJb

[aholbert32]

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Please don't derail this thread with talks of things that aren't being discussed. Non-guaranteed contracts are not on the table and is an awful idea.

Non guaranteed contracts are back on the table if the Union does not accept the deal by Wednesday.

[aholbert32]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

Found this on realgm

Prominent Agent Promises To Never Send Another Player To Bobcats
Nov 07, 2011 1:42 PM EST


One prominent NBA agent responded angrily to news that Michael Jordan is leading a group of hardline owners in labor negotiations with players.

The agent said that Jordan's position is hypocritical and he would never send another one of his players to the Bobcats.

"The guys are going bananas," another agent with several star players said Sunday night.

Via David Aldridge/NBA.com


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1d39poYJb

LOL. Thats the stupidest thing ever. If the Bobcats are offering more than any other team, his clients will go to the Bobcats.

[CMH]

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Please don't derail this thread with talks of things that aren't being discussed. Non-guaranteed contracts are not on the table and is an awful idea.

I'm assuming you missed this post.

"In addition to a 47 percent share of revenues for the players and a flex cap, those terms also would include a relinquishing of guaranteed contracts and a rollback of existing salaries, sources familiar with the hard-line owners' position said."

[da ThRONe]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

From Howard Beck:

"The ultimatum issued by the N.B.A. to its players over the weekend not only threatens them with a worse labor deal, but also a massive pay cut if they do not make a deal by Wednesday afternoon.
A letter sent by David Stern, the commissioner of the N.B.A., to the players union Sunday contrasts the proposal on the table — highlighted by a 50-50 split of revenues — with a “reset” proposal that would cut the players’ share to 47 percent, roll back current contracts, impose a hard salary cap and reduce contract lengths.

The salary rollback, which was part of the N.B.A.’s first controversial proposal in 2010, had not been included in any league proposal for many months, and it was not publicly mentioned by Stern when he announced the ultimatum Saturday night.

But the rollback was included in the letter Stern sent to Billy Hunter, the union’s executive director. A copy of the letter was obtained by The New York Times.

The union has until 5 p.m. Wednesday to accept the N.B.A.’s last proposal or have it replaced by the reset proposal, Stern wrote."

Non guaranteed contracts are back on the table if the Union does not accept the deal by Wednesday.

I don't see anything in there that says non guarenteed contracts. If it's posted some where else my apologies.

[aholbert32]

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The Difference between the current owners proposal and the one that will be offered Thursday:

Current Offer


¶ Salary-cap and luxury-tax levels in Years 1 and 2 of the new agreement will be no less than they were in 2010-11. By Year 3, they will be adjusted downward to conform to the new system.

¶ Sign-and-trade deals and the biannual exception will be available only to nontaxpaying teams.

¶ Extend-and-trade deals, such as the one signed by Carmelo Anthony last season, will be prohibited.

¶ The midlevel exception will be set at $5 million for nontaxpaying teams, with a maximum length between three and four years (alternating annually). The value of the exception will grow by 3 percent annually, starting in Year 3.

¶ The midlevel exception will be set at $2.5 million for taxpaying teams, with a maximum length of two years, and cannot be used in consecutive years. Its value will also grow at 3 percent annually.

¶ A 10 percent escrow tax will be withheld from player salaries, to ensure that player earnings do not exceed 50 percent of league revenues. An additional withholding will be applied in Year 1 “to account for business uncertainty” stemming from the lockout.

¶ Maximum contract lengths will be five years for “Bird” free agents and four years for others.

¶ Annual contract increases will be 5.5 percent for “Bird” players and 3.5 percent for others.

¶ Players will be paid a prorated share of their 2011-12 salaries, based on the number of games played once the season starts.

¶ Team and player contract options will be prohibited in new contracts, other than rookie deals. But a player can opt out of the final year of a contract if he agrees to zero salary protection (i.e., if it is nonguaranteed).

The “reset” proposal features a flex-cap system that contains an absolute salary ceiling — to be set $5 million above the average team salary. In addition, the N.B.A. would roll back existing contracts “in proportion to system changes in order to ensure sufficient market for free agents.”


Reset offer:

The “reset” proposal features a flex-cap system that contains an absolute salary ceiling — to be set $5 million above the average team salary. In addition, the N.B.A. would roll back existing contracts “in proportion to system changes in order to ensure sufficient market for free agents.”

The other major differences in the “reset” proposal are:

¶ The midlevel exception would be set at $3 million in Year 1, with a maximum length of three years, and would grow at 3 percent annually.

¶ Maximum salaries would be reduced.

¶ Sign-and-trade rules would remain consistent with the 2005 labor deal.

¶ Contracts would be limited to four years for “Bird” free agents and three years for others, but each team could give a five-year deal to one designated player.

¶ Raises would be limited to 4.5 percent for “Bird” players and 3.5 percent for others.

¶ Changes requested by the union on restricted free agency rules and salary-cap holds would not be included.

Both proposals include an “amnesty” provision that will allow every team to waive one player and have 100 percent of his salary removed from the cap.

[da ThRONe]

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The Difference between the current owners proposal and the one that will be offered Thursday:

Current Offer


¶ Salary-cap and luxury-tax levels in Years 1 and 2 of the new agreement will be no less than they were in 2010-11. By Year 3, they will be adjusted downward to conform to the new system.

¶ Sign-and-trade deals and the biannual exception will be available only to nontaxpaying teams.

¶ Extend-and-trade deals, such as the one signed by Carmelo Anthony last season, will be prohibited.

¶ The midlevel exception will be set at $5 million for nontaxpaying teams, with a maximum length between three and four years (alternating annually). The value of the exception will grow by 3 percent annually, starting in Year 3.

¶ The midlevel exception will be set at $2.5 million for taxpaying teams, with a maximum length of two years, and cannot be used in consecutive years. Its value will also grow at 3 percent annually.

¶ A 10 percent escrow tax will be withheld from player salaries, to ensure that player earnings do not exceed 50 percent of league revenues. An additional withholding will be applied in Year 1 “to account for business uncertainty” stemming from the lockout.

¶ Maximum contract lengths will be five years for “Bird” free agents and four years for others.

¶ Annual contract increases will be 5.5 percent for “Bird” players and 3.5 percent for others.

¶ Players will be paid a prorated share of their 2011-12 salaries, based on the number of games played once the season starts.

¶ Team and player contract options will be prohibited in new contracts, other than rookie deals. But a player can opt out of the final year of a contract if he agrees to zero salary protection (i.e., if it is nonguaranteed).

The “reset” proposal features a flex-cap system that contains an absolute salary ceiling — to be set $5 million above the average team salary. In addition, the N.B.A. would roll back existing contracts “in proportion to system changes in order to ensure sufficient market for free agents.”


Reset offer:

The “reset” proposal features a flex-cap system that contains an absolute salary ceiling — to be set $5 million above the average team salary. In addition, the N.B.A. would roll back existing contracts “in proportion to system changes in order to ensure sufficient market for free agents.”

The other major differences in the “reset” proposal are:

¶ The midlevel exception would be set at $3 million in Year 1, with a maximum length of three years, and would grow at 3 percent annually.

¶ Maximum salaries would be reduced.

¶ Sign-and-trade rules would remain consistent with the 2005 labor deal.

¶ Contracts would be limited to four years for “Bird” free agents and three years for others, but each team could give a five-year deal to one designated player.

¶ Raises would be limited to 4.5 percent for “Bird” players and 3.5 percent for others.

¶ Changes requested by the union on restricted free agency rules and salary-cap holds would not be included.

Both proposals include an “amnesty” provision that will allow every team to waive one player and have 100 percent of his salary removed from the cap.

The rest system is better for the league in my opinion. Too bad the league isn't pushing this instead of getting a huge swing in the BRI split.

[aholbert32]

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The rest system is better for the league in my opinion. Too bad the league isn't pushing this instead of getting a huge swing in the BRI split.

The players wouldnt accept the reset option even if they stayed at 57%.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Meanwhile Rodney Harrison is a prominent analyst on one of the NFL's prime programs and nobody has a problem with this. NBA players are still looked at like the uneducated, thugged out criminals of the sports world while more NFL players are getting arrested, suspended, fined and whatnot for things either on par or worse than what the NBA guys are doing

Just nobody has a problem with Shaq now being on TNT and we ALL know the type of **** he was into(off the court)which you could make a case is worse than what Harrison did.

NFL also has wayyyyy more players than the NBA does so if one player in the NFL gets arrested, unless it's murder, then you can reallly expect it to make the same noise that would follow if an NBA player got arrested.

Sorry for going OT here.

[TheMatrix31]

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Love non-guaranteed contracts. Been calling for it (in every sport) for YEARS. It's not gonna happen, but it'd be bad *** if it does.

[da ThRONe]

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The players wouldnt accept the reset option even if they stayed at 57%.

Well we will never know for sure now.

[aholbert32]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

Well we will never know for sure now.

Actually we do. The reset option was part of the NBA's original proposal. The NBAPA called those options a blood issue and refused to negotiate about them.

[OSUFan_88]

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NBPA, I implore you, accept the deal. If you don't, then your *** is sunk.

[CMH]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

Love non-guaranteed contracts. Been calling for it (in every sport) for YEARS. It's not gonna happen, but it'd be bad *** if it does.

Somewhere, Rashard Lewis is nervous.

[da ThRONe]

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Love non-guaranteed contracts. Been calling for it (in every sport) for YEARS. It's not gonna happen, but it'd be bad *** if it does.

I can't get with this. Still don't know why the NFL PA backed off of their push for it. I'm cool with owners owning the rights to players, but as a player your compensation for not having your future in your hands is guarenteed contracts.