NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[da ThRONe]

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Just like to give my Bulls a pat on the back here. They offered been Gordon a pretty resonable contract for his skill level and he got the dollar signs in his eyes and turned it down for something bigger. Bulls gave him the deuces saying 'peace out' on that ridiculous deal he wanted. Detroit proceeded to give him a contract that he clearly wasn't worth and now it's biting them in the ***.

Was listening to Scott Van Pelt the other day and Ryan Russillo made a good point that the owners went about things the wrong way as they shouldn't have came out demanding so much at one time and not used all the bravado along with it. The tough talk and knowing where bodies are buried and all that as it's not a good look going into the negotiations. Also pointed out how funny it is that all these concessions are needed because of the economic state of the country when people like pretty much all the owners, probably even some if not most of them are among the people responsible for putting the country in this state in the first place and now are crying for relief.

Yeah I saw that also. Not to get political, but I thought it was spot on. Not to mention none of this money is going back to the fans.

Like I said I don't get how some of us are defending the guys who could easily offer other (non-revenue) consessions to the players, but rather be greedy and hold out to get everything over the party who has clearly willing to concede in every area that's asked of them.

[Dice]

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Yeah I saw that also. Not to get political, but I thought it was spot on. Not to mention none of this money is going back to the fans.

Like I said I don't get how some of us are defending the guys who could easily offer other (non-revenue) consessions to the players, but rather be greedy and hold out to get everything over the party who has clearly willing to concede in every area that's asked of them.

Unfortunately, the owners might win this one. But I see what your saying. The next CBA will probably be the NBA's version of a "Bailout" plan.

[clipperfan811]

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And on another note, I hear players "threatening" start a new league, whats stopping owners from doing the same thing? Basketball is the only sport in the world where the 400+ players in the league ARE NOT the world's best basketball players. There are streetball players, players who play at the Rucker, players who went undrafted, who are way better than many of the role players who this Union is fighting for. If all thirty owners said F it and filled their rosters with streetball players, you can't tell me that it wouldn't be a better product then what we have right now. Every player would care about their jobs, you'd see sound basketball, and you'd get the flash that would bring in the casual fan. I wish owners would do that instead of wasting their time with Fisher and Hunter.

Here's the link to the Bill Simmons article in case you want to read it for yourselves: Avoiding the Lockout and the Red Sox

I'm sorry man but guys playing streetball are playing on the street for a reason. That style of ball is what's wrong with the NBA in the first place. I mean we've seen it this summer, NBA guys go play in these pick-up leagues and everyone's dropping 60 like it's nothing.

Let's not get carried away the NBA and the players need each other.

[clipperfan811]

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I am a fan of opt out clause for both party half way through the deals. My point is this is something management can give to the players yet still have some control over it. Just because you can make a 10 year deal doesn't mean you have to. And with an opt out clause at 5 years no team/or player is locked in for too long.

I don't see the point of having the opt out mid way through, especially if either party can terminate the opt out. How does that provide more security for the player than just having shorter contracts?

10 year contracts? Even with opt outs mid way that's just complete overkill. They need 3 year max's for players going to a new team and 4 year for players resigning. That's more than long enough for players to prove their worth. It's just such a simple concept it boggles my mind that overtly long contracts are even being argued for.

You earn your worth plain and simple.

If the pot needs to be sweetened, give each team one 5 year contract which they can hand out once every 5 years to give to a legit franchise player and give that player a no-trade clause. That would hold the owners more accountable for their big decisions.

It would also encourage the big stars to find their own team and it would help keep contracts for role players on a realistic level.

[yankeesgiants]

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Yeah I saw that also. Not to get political, but I thought it was spot on. Not to mention none of this money is going back to the fans.

Like I said I don't get how some of us are defending the guys who could easily offer other (non-revenue) consessions to the players, but rather be greedy and hold out to get everything over the party who has clearly willing to concede in every area that's asked of them.

They aren't going to give because when the union leadership changed in 1994, that was when the bad blood started. The arguements today are largly a rehash of 1994 except the owners are gonna win this time. Take a read from Chicago tribune in 1994:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1994-09-23/sports/9409230089_1_salary-cap-nba-plan-executive-director-charles-grantham

[da ThRONe]

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Unfortunately, the owners might win this one. But I see what your saying. The next CBA will probably be the NBA's version of a "Bailout" plan.

I don't see any possible way the players can win. I and most people who are pro players at this point realize that's the case. However if your asking me who's being unreasonable with their demands IMO it's the owners as of now.

[TheMatrix31]

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Hopefully the lockout is resolved soon because I really don't think I can tolerate the same tired talking points from idiot players, idiot fans, and idiot owners until next August or something.

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Hopefully the lockout is resolved soon because I really don't think I can tolerate the same tired talking points from idiot players, idiot fans, and idiot owners until next August or something.

I think the only ones not talking are the owners...but they dont need to

Its the players making stupid remarks, sans the lower paid ones whom Fisher and Hunter keeps treating like Guantanamo Bay prisoners, so they wont let them comment.

Then there is the fans...lol

[Marino]

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I wonder if this goes similar to 1998 where the players were ready to fight each other if they didn't have a season.

I doubt the NBA players have the reserve to holdout too long. But you never know, this could be similar to a 1994 baseball work stoppage. (Before anyone gets to it, yes I know that was a strike not a lockout, but some of the elements remain the same.)

[TheMatrix31]

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I feel like the players all know they don't have a case. Some of the players are willing to say so and then the head union losers like Hunter and Fisher are getting all bent out of shape because these players are "weakening" their "position".

Bam, infighting.

Comical.

[King_B_Mack]

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I think the only ones not talking are the owners...but they dont need to

Its the players making stupid remarks, sans the lower paid ones whom Fisher and Hunter keeps treating like Guantanamo Bay prisoners, so they wont let them comment.

Then there is the fans...lol

In fairness, they aren't talking because they can't talk or Boss Hog Stern is gonna slap them with the same 100 grand fine he gave Airness a while back. Not to mention the memo that went out to teams before the lockout that they could be fined up to 1 million dollars for discussing the lockout or any players at all. But yeah, you can bet your bottom dollar Dan Gilbert and/or Donald Sterling (at the very least) would have said some real stupid **** by now on a few occasions if not for that.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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You know one person who isn't losing in this lockout?

Deron Williams.

[The 24th Letter]

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Rose pulls a Ray Allen

"It's very sad, but everybody knows it's not our fault," the Chicago Bulls point guard and reigning NBA most valuable player said Saturday. "If it was up to us we'd be out there playing. I think that is wrong and I know they could easily take care of it."

Rose said the NBA lockout, which has wiped out training camp, exhibition games and the early port of the regular 2011-12 season, has been frustrating.

"They (the owners) aren't thinking about anything that we're saying," he said. "They're not taking into consideration (anything) that we're trying to give them. We're just going to have to see how it goes."

guess Derrick realized hes one of the "millionares" he mentioned in his initial comments...

[yankeesgiants]

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You know one person who isn't losing in this lockout?

Deron Williams.

Or Andre Iguodala

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=mc-spears_andre_iguodala_092911

[King_B_Mack]

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You know one person who isn't losing in this lockout?

Deron Williams.

I was all set up for Charlie Sheen there man. Dropped the ball Pack