NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[OSUFan_88]

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I hope this isnt the position on Wednesday

Sounds like it is.

From NBA_Labor on Twitter:

Claim that BRI band limited to 50.2 - 49.8% is patently false.

Plyrs get 50% of BRI if hit projections and 57% of BRI above projections; better we do, the closer to 51% for plyrs

Also, the more BRI falls short of projections, the closer to 49% for plyrs

NBPA knows 51% isn't target and may not get there; is simply outer limit on % plyrs can receive under any circumstance

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If Wednesday comes and goes without a deal, then I will pack it in for the season. The owners won't budge and the players will probably decertify.

As in many things in life, when radicals have control, the everyday people are screwed.

This is where my disagreement with Pack comes in at saying Fisher wants a deal

This guy hasn't once taken any of the proposals to the players in the league. Every single time they just disagreed and moved on, and the only the staunchest players have had a say.

For the most part they've been quieted and there was never a vote given to them to see what they wanted, so really who the heck are they fighting for again?

This Kessler guy if they dont even know him, who brought him in?

[The 24th Letter]

Believe it or not, not all owners made bad decisions. Unfortunately, it is much more difficult for small market owners to entice players to come play for them. That, eventually, leads to inflation of salaries. Who's to blame? Just about everyone. However, I don't fully blame the owners, at all. Teams like Cleveland, Indiana, Charlotte, Sacramento, Memphis, etc., are at a competitive disadvantage.

I can honestly say I put more blame on the players. I sympathize with small market owners. They can only overpay to try and get a player to come to their team.

Still doesn't change the fact competitive balance isn't what is stalling the talks.

[OSUFan_88]

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This Kessler guy if they dont even know him, who brought him in?

he's a lawyer they brought in for the financial figures. I believe Hunter would have brought him in.

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Sounds like it is.

From NBA_Labor on Twitter:

Yeah that's the deal Stern said was proposed and probably brought up by mediator that they agreed to

Fish has no confidence his players can do that well...that ought to tell him something right there

..but I mean the hardline stance of the 47%... thats not what they're proposing on Wednesday, thats only what they said will come if they reject this current one

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he's a lawyer they brought in for the financial figures. I believe Hunter would have brought him in.

Is this guy stalling just to keep his job (Hunter)

He sure did tip out of that meeting quickly and allowed this dude to speak on his behalf so whats up with that

[OSUFan_88]

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Is this guy stalling just to keep his job (Hunter)

He sure did tip out of that meeting quickly and allowed this dude to speak on his behalf so whats up with that

I have read speculation that perhaps, after the players proposed the 51% split, that Hunter decided to bow out of the conversations and may end up resigning his post.

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I have read speculation that perhaps, after the players proposed the 51% split, that Hunter decided to bow out of the conversations and may end up resigning his post.

They wont miss him anyway if he does

If they drop the deal down to 47% I will get the feeling that the season is completely gone

[ProfessaPackMan]

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This is where my disagreement with Pack comes in at saying Fisher wants a deal

So you think Fisher doesn't want to get a deal done at all or do you think his ego/pride is in the way of something getting done just like Hunter's is?

THAT'S why I said he looks like he actually WANTS to get something done and not waste everyone's time. But then again, that's already too late at this point.

[CharliePrince]

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I'm not backing off my statement that these dumb Players need to be taught a lesson

honestly, I been thinking about it.. when will you really feel the crunch of no NBA?

answer: when there's nothing else going on (Wednesday, Thursday, Friday nights) and then basically the summer months

so it'll be a rough May, June, July, August, and by then the NFL will resume already.. so really it's a 4 month stretch

I can live with that, with the chance that these ****ing players are so ******* stupid they *SERIOUSLY* need to be taught a lesson right now

you know why my stance has become hardlined like the owners?! here's why

REPORTS SAY Cohen the mediator, presented 6 "What ifs" scenarios, all revolve around a 51% deal instead of the 52 or 50 owners/players wanted

........out of 6, 5 were accepted by the Owners, NONE WERE ACCEPTED BY THE PLAYERS

are you seriously ****ing kidding me?! there's a "Negotiation" going on, with the best Mediator around presenting 6 what-if scenarios, 5 of which the owners already say ok we can go with that and your dumb stupid *** can't accept 1?!

this should've been over already but.. nah man, screw it

the players need to be taught a lesson

I now see why the owners have become hardliners, I know I have as well

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So you think Fisher doesn't want to get a deal done at all or do you think his ego/pride is in the way of something getting done just like Hunter's is?

THAT'S why I said he looks like he actually WANTS to get something done and not waste everyone's time. But then again, that's already too late at this point.

I think he wants one done only on his terms, just like the other side.. Hunter..im beginning to wonder if those two even really like eachother, because they dont seem to come off as being together besides PR talk here and there

From what Hunter said he just walked away from the table at the last meeting, and Fisher basically just told us that there is no deal in place to take to the players..... Really?

..Whatever the 3 stooges have planned seems to have gone awry

[The 24th Letter]

I'm not backing off my statement that these dumb Players need to be taught a lesson

By all means, do not.

[King_B_Mack]

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Yeah that's the deal Stern said was proposed and probably brought up by mediator that they agreed to

Fish has no confidence his players can do that well...that ought to tell him something right there

..but I mean the hardline stance of the 47%... thats not what they're proposing on Wednesday, thats only what they said will come if they reject this current one

I don't think that's very fair. We talk about how bad the economy is all the time and how the NFL is king and all these other sports that will make losing the NBA season barely a blip on the radar but we're indicting the players ability to do well with terms as if it's a normal situation that Fisher 'lacks confidence in his players in?' Under these circumstances, that's not a fair viewpoint for them. "That out to tell him something?" Yeah they're supposed to generate huge revenues after a near 200 day lockout where NBA players will NEVER EVER have the public on their side even in a good economy and doing everything right, on top of the fact that it's a **** economy and America gets dumber and more gambling-centric every year causing the NFL's popularity to continue to skyrocket?

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I don't think that's very fair. We talk about how bad the economy is all the time and how the NFL is king and all these other sports that will make losing the NBA season barely a blip on the radar but we're indicting the players ability to do well with terms as if it's a normal situation that Fisher 'lacks confidence in his players in?' Under these circumstances, that's not a fair viewpoint for them. "That out to tell him something?" Yeah they're supposed to generate huge revenues after a near 200 day lockout where NBA players will NEVER EVER have the public on their side even in a good economy and doing everything right, on top of the fact that it's a **** economy and America gets dumber and more gambling-centric every year causing the NFL's popularity to continue to skyrocket?

It doesn't matter King b because they weren't doing it before and they can't do it now and he knows that... It slaps the face of his notion that they deserve a bigger deal than what's offered and thats why I say what I said.

It doesn't matter if the players have public support or not, we definitely don't have theirs because their intentions are just as selfish as the owners are.

The NFL makes money plain and simple, the NBA is NOT, thats the main crux... if im not mistaken the % the NFL players get is lowered than what NBA players have been getting over the last 12 years and thats without the guranteed contracts. There is really no comparison here honestly.

Fisher is spouting the notion that he's negotiating for future members, when you don't even fight for non union members in any negotiations, nor is he obligated..he's tap dancing around this

Just do this and end it.. meet with all of the players and put this deal to a vote and see what happens. If they're really united then prove it..but like I said, he wont do it because its not his terms.

[CharliePrince]

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Proverbs 16:18
Pride precedes a disaster, and an arrogant attitude precedes a fall.

..Pride has led us to this disaster

their arrogant attitude will be their downfall

this lockout could've been over this weekend

I REPEAT, IT COULD'VE BEEN OVER ALREADY and all this nonsense would've stopped

Cohen presented 6 What if scenarios, 5 accepted by the owners, NONE by the players

are you seriously ****ing kidding me?!

I'm with the hardliners now, these players need to be taught a lesson, period

this is beyond stupidity.. their pride has led us to this disaster, and the players' arrogant attitude will become their downfall

take everything off the table, forget the season, give them 43% and teach them a lesson

with humility comes wisdom, none of these players have any wisdom