NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[CMH]

Thats the point I was making earlier... not once did Hunter or Fish do this..not ONCE. So again, who are they barganing for again

I know you know it's obviously for the stars.

When Kevin Garnett is showing his ugly mug around to stomp his feet, it's clear.

Considering most of the players speaking about just wanting to play are not superstars, it shows me who has been part of the negotiation process.

But that's also the non-stsr's fault. Everything is about networking and if you let the stars hang together and take office then they run things.


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[da ThRONe]

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Star driven league, in more ways than one.

And you need not look any farther then David Stern if you want to know who is responsible for that. He and the league where 100% OK riding the coat tails of the players to prosperity. Now they are trying to "check" the very same party they built the league on.

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I know you know it's obviously for the stars.

When Kevin Garnett is showing his ugly mug around to stomp his feet, it's clear.

Considering most of the players speaking about just wanting to play are not superstars, it shows me who has been part of the negotiation process.

But that's also the non-stsr's fault. Everything is about networking and if you let the stars hang together and take office then they run things.


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Its not a mystery to me at all, but guys like KG wont even be in the league too much longer, and he has already made a ton of money

..then Fisher goes off into some drivel about future CBA's when its probably not even legal to negotiate for someone not even in their union...thats such a farce

I'd be ticked though If I was one of the lesser guys because its their union thats strongarming them in the process

[aholbert32]

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And you need not look any farther then David Stern if you want to know who is responsible for that. He and the league where 100% OK riding the coat tails of the players to prosperity. Now they are trying to "check" the very same party they built the league on.

LOL. That statement is so ridiculous I dont know where to start. If it wasnt for the league those "stars" wouldnt be stars.

[da ThRONe]

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Separate issues. Hunter made it clear to Stern that they would be willing to negotiate with Stern about the BRI but not about a hard/flex cap. If Stern stuck with that, we wouldnt have had half the negotiations we've already seen.

Both sides have said plenty of things they wouldn't do/offer that they are currently doing/offering. So I'm sure if the league took a hard line on a flexcap the players would have still negotiated to a similar stale mate if not getting futher. I think with the majority of players giving a change in money or a change in system they would have elected to change the system.

[OSUFan_88]

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And you need not look any farther then David Stern if you want to know who is responsible for that. He and the league where 100% OK riding the coat tails of the players to prosperity. Now they are trying to "check" the very same party they built the league on.

Blaming David Stern for the NBPA bargaining strategy is a new one.

[da ThRONe]

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LOL. That statement is so ridiculous I dont know where to start. If it wasnt for the league those "stars" wouldnt be stars.

No major American sport pushes their individual stars like the NBA.

[The 24th Letter]

Blaming David Stern for the NBPA bargaining strategy is a new one.

He's blamed for it outside of this thread often, lol

[aholbert32]

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No major American sport pushes their individual stars like the NBA.

That is much different than "riding coattails." It works both ways. Lebron James doing McDonalds commercials helps the NBA's profile and the NBA's profile is the reason James gets to do commercials.

[CMH]

LOL. That statement is so ridiculous I dont know where to start. If it wasnt for the league those "stars" wouldnt be stars.

This is a bad a discussion to have for both sides.

It shouldn't be about who matters 100%. They all matter.

The real argument is who matters most. And I agree that the owners matter most.

The players disagree. They say they are the product. I actually disagree with that.

The product is basketball. The players are the clerk pushing your fries. Some clerks are better at their job and some we aspire to be like, but we watch the games because we want basketball.


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[da ThRONe]

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Blaming David Stern for the NBPA bargaining strategy is a new one.

I'm blaming Stern for the leagues dependance on star players. This situation is more about the economic changes in this country. The owners are paying way to much for franchises for them to be losing money. The problem is there can be no middle ground here. Either parity is the objective and a cap on spending is needed or mega teams are the objective and they can keep the soft cap or just eliminate a cap altogether.

[TheMatrix31]

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Hm. So just thinking out loud, maybe they could have it so if you stay with your team it can be guaranteed, but if you leave then it would be non-guaranteed. This would make guys like LeBron and such think twice about planning **** 3 years in advance.

Might have some kinks but would be interesting.

After thinking about it more, this would also be strategic for the teams. Do you re-sign your player(s) knowing its guaranteed money or do you opt to sign some non-guaranteed guys because it might be more friendly or beneficial to your money situation?

Interesting.

[King_B_Mack]

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LOL. That statement is so ridiculous I dont know where to start. If it wasnt for the league those "stars" wouldnt be stars.

Yeah, yeah the chicken or the egg argument. Bottomline they both need each other a whole hell of a lot. If it wasn't for the league those stars wouldn't be stars, sure, but if it wasn't for the stars that league would be the XFL, defunct.

This is a bad a discussion to have for both sides.

It shouldn't be about who matters 100%. They all matter.

The real argument is who matters most. And I agree that the owners matter most.

The players disagree. They say they are the product. I actually disagree with that.

The product is basketball. The players are the clerk pushing your fries. Some clerks are better at their job and some we aspire to be like, but we watch the games because we want basketball.


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Big difference between players on a sports team and the guy serving you your fries. I'm going to the McD's for the fries not to see Ray Ray and Zitface Tommy. I'm going to the United Center cause I wanna see D-Rose or Jordan breakdown some fools.

[da ThRONe]

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That is much different than "riding coattails." It works both ways. Lebron James doing McDonalds commercials helps the NBA's profile and the NBA's profile is the reason James gets to do commercials.

I said build around the players. I give them their credit, but there are not doubt they pushing the players because it's easier to say come out and see so and so. Instead of building a league about the actually sport. There's a reason people aren't flocking to D-league or WNBA games.

[RedSceptile]

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I said build around the players. I give them their credit, but there are not doubt they pushing the players because it's easier to say come out and see so and so. Instead of building a league about the actually sport. There's a reason people aren't flocking to D-league or WNBA games.

Because it's worst competition?