NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[da ThRONe]

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Yeah, yeah the chicken or the egg argument. Bottomline they both need each other a whole hell of a lot. If it wasn't for the league those stars wouldn't be stars, sure, but if it wasn't for the stars that league would be the XFL, defunct.

I don't think I'm trying to belittle the league. And I am fully aware what Stern has done for the league and the current players. But that doesn't change the fact that the league plan of attack thus far has been marketing players over teams.

Big difference between players on a sports team and the guy serving you your fries. I'm going to the McD's for the fries not to see Ray Ray and Zitface Tommy. I'm going to the United Center cause I wanna see D-Rose or Jordan breakdown some fools.

I don't know who you downplay the importance of the players in this equation. The league would replace them in a second for cheaper labor if they felt they could get away with it.

[da ThRONe]

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Because it's worst competition?

The level of talent isn't on par with the NBA. Thus it's not nearly as entertaining.

[RedSceptile]

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The level of talent isn't on par with the NBA. Thus it's not nearly as entertaining.

That's kind of my point you asked that question I gave that answer?

[aholbert32]

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I said build around the players. I give them their credit, but there are not doubt they pushing the players because it's easier to say come out and see so and so. Instead of building a league about the actually sport. There's a reason people aren't flocking to D-league or WNBA games.

You said "riding coattails." That isnt giving the owners their credit.

[goh]

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They had to be bought by the NBA

I know. I'm wondering who votes for them. When the owners go to a vote is someone representing them or is it 29 votes instead of 30?

¶ Maximum salaries would be reduced.

It's the minimum salaries that need to be reduced along with the minimum ammount of players. There's 2-5 guys on every team getting paid a lot for very little,if anything. It might also help the owners to point out who pays for travel and all those fancy hotels. The offer will eventually go down to include to flying coach and staying at Motel 6.

[King_B_Mack]

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I don't think I'm trying to belittle the league. And I am fully aware what Stern has done for the league and the current players. But that doesn't change the fact that the league plan of attack thus far has been marketing players over teams.

Didn't say they haven't been marketing players over teams.

I don't know who you downplay the importance of the players in this equation. The league would replace them in a second for cheaper labor if they felt they could get away with it.

Not downplaying anybody. They both are pretty much equally important to each other. The guys need the place to showcase they're talent, the league provides that. The league needs talent to put butts in the seats. People bitched and moaned and tuned out of the Finals because it featuring the Spurs and Pistons but they're going to support any crop of semi-pro wannabes that the NBA digs up in place of the LeBron and Kobe's of the world? Good luck with that owners should it ever happen.

[OSUFan_88]

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David Stern will be on live on the 6 pm Sportscenter with Mike and Mike.

Also, reports that the players are pretty torn on decert and accepting the deal. Sounds like they are starting to break ranks.

Next two days are gonna be...quite interesting.

[da ThRONe]

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You said "riding coattails." That isnt giving the owners their credit.

Well it's not like they are out there dunking basketballs. The plan is to build the players brand and use that to sell the league. If you want to get caught up on the phrase I used to discredit it cool.

[da ThRONe]

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Didn't say they haven't been marketing players over teams.





Not downplaying anybody. They both are pretty much equally important to each other. The guys need the place to showcase they're talent, the league provides that. The league needs talent to put butts in the seats. People bitched and moaned and tuned out of the Finals because it featuring the Spurs and Pistons but they're going to support any crop of semi-pro wannabes that the NBA digs up in place of the LeBron and Kobe's of the world? Good luck with that owners should it ever happen.

I was agreeing with you!

[da ThRONe]

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That's kind of my point you asked that question I gave that answer?

And for the same reasons people wouldn't watch the NBA reguardless of who the owners are if the league isn't as talented as it is right now. If the owners were so great at marketing the "PRODUCT" why isn't the WNBA is popular?

[RedSceptile]

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And for the same reasons people wouldn't watch the NBA reguardless of who the owners are if the league isn't as talented as it is right now. If the owners were so great at marketing the "PRODUCT" why is it the WNBA is popular?

say what...? I don't get what you're getting at now.

[King_B_Mack]

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say what...? I don't get what you're getting at now.

Basically he's countering the argument about the owners being more important to the league by posing the question of why they don't use they're magical marketing powers that they've used to make stars in the NBA on the WNBA. I see where he's coming from, but there's some differences to take into account for that like people's insistence that you have to be lesbian to play there. Or the idea they make up in their heads before ever watching a game that it's boring watching them, or that they're largely unattractive women. Basically there are a lot of factors that keeps them from making stars out of them that doesn't make that a fair comparison.

[da ThRONe]

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say what...? I don't get what you're getting at now.

I meant to say "Why isn't the WNBA popular" if the owners are so great at marketing the league.

[TheMatrix31]

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I meant to say "Why isn't the WNBA popular" if the owners are so great at marketing the league.

Because no one wants to see chicks play basketball even if each team had multiple Michelle Jordans.

[da ThRONe]

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Basically he's countering the argument about the owners being more important to the league by posing the question of why they don't use they're magical marketing powers that they've used to make stars in the NBA on the WNBA. I see where he's coming from, but there's some differences to take into account for that like people's insistence that you have to be lesbian to play there. Or the idea they make up in their heads before ever watching a game that it's boring watching them, or that they're largely unattractive women. Basically there are a lot of factors that keeps them from making stars out of them that doesn't make that a fair comparison.

Yeah it's clearly not apples to apples. However I think the premise is a legit point when trying to determine what's the core importance of the league.

I'll do another one hypothatical scenario. Lets say Bill Gates and/or Warren Buffet buys the NBA tomorrow. And the season start would you notice the difference if this mega deal isn't reported? Ok so lets say the owners replace every single player and start the league up who well do you think that goes over with fans?