NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[OSUFan_88]

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One more thing:

"We don't even know who Kessler is," one agent said Sunday. "We don't have any access to this guy whatsoever. Who is this guy? Now he's saying whether or not the deal is a fraud?"

Good to know. A guy who is effecting the entire league has not even met with players and agents.

[aholbert32]

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One more thing:



Good to know. A guy who is effecting the entire league has not even met with players and agents.

That makes me furious. Kessler has been the biggest hardliner at the table.

[aholbert32]

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OSU,

Has anyone confirmed what tomorrow's Union meeting is about? Are they going to consider the proposal or is it just decert talks.

[MikeJ2021]

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So this is what we've come to. You got enough players wanting to decertify, owners sticking to their guns and Stern giving an ultimatum.

The funny thing is, the more NBAPA rejects this offer, the reports you see with players going against the whole "Stand United" campaign. None more than Kobe who just said that the 50-50 deal is better than nothing and that the NBAPA should accept it.

I find it hilarious that the NBAPA thinks decertification is the way to gain leverage but if they do go this route, could the owners really void contracts? And if so, does that make everyone a free agent and means everyone would have to re-negotiate them? If thats the case then I hope they DO decertify so everyones contract can be voided. That would take care of the Gilbert Arenases and the Rashard Lewises of the world right there.

Either way, David Stern, the smaller market owners, and everyone in the NBAPA has lost my respect and I know many people say this, and most time they say it out of anger, but I'm definatly not buying another NBA player endorsed shoe, I'm not spending money on tickets, and I'm not buying any more NBA merchandise besides NBA 2K games and right now I'm on the fence about buying that.

I heard a song on this week's Office episode that perfectly describes how I feel about the season. I'm done with the meetings, done with the reporters, done with the Twitter feed. Its CLOSING TIME! Cancel the season. I know who I want to take me home and its College Basketball. Friday can't come soon enough.

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That makes me furious. Kessler has been the biggest hardliner at the table.

that's very surprising he probably has nothing to lose anyway

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[aholbert32]

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that's very surprising he probably has nothing to lose anyway

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He has alot to gain if they decertify. He can become a consultant and make money helping the players file suit against the league.

[cjonesfan921]

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Outside of the courts getting involved? No.

I'm pretty sure no one said leverage didn't matter though....I know a few like myself **** on the owners for abusing that leverage, but I think we are all well aware leverage is essential to negotiation..

Did you have a problem with the players abusing the CBA the past 10 years? This is how the owners, for the small market teams, are saying **** you.

I'm a Knicks fan, and, as much as I loved last year, it's atrocious how these guys do what they want. Denver had no choice in the matter. Bron, Wade, and Bosh clearly had this planned. Horrible. They deserve to get killed on this CBA.

[OSUFan_88]

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OSU,

Has anyone confirmed what tomorrow's Union meeting is about? Are they going to consider the proposal or is it just decert talks.

Supposedly, they will discuss all options. In fact, I tweeted at Jeff Zillgitt last night about what the players are going to do, if they would vote on the proposal. The response was:

Expect NBPA and player reps to take temperature of constituents. RT @TheRealCooks: Could players demand to see and vote on the proposal?

http://twitter.com/#!/usat_jzillgitt/status/133388536463360000

So who the hell knows.

[OSUFan_88]

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It seems, according to basically ever NBA twitter account, that the players are trying to set up one last meeting with the owners.

[aholbert32]

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LOL. I know I've said this 8 times already but Wednesday is really DDay. This is what the owners will offer if they reject the deal:

"In addition to a 47 percent share of revenues for the players and a flex cap, those terms also would include a relinquishing of guaranteed contracts and a rollback of existing salaries, sources familiar with the hard-line owners' position said."

[cjonesfan921]

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LOL. I know I've said this 8 times already but Wednesday is really DDay. This is what the owners will offer if they reject the deal:

"In addition to a 47 percent share of revenues for the players and a flex cap, those terms also would include a relinquishing of guaranteed contracts and a rollback of existing salaries, sources familiar with the hard-line owners' position said."

Honestly, guaranteed contracts need to be a thing of the past. As big of a fan I am, I'm completely down to miss a season if that would happen.

[The 24th Letter]

Did you have a problem with the players abusing the CBA the past 10 years? This is how the owners, for the small market teams, are saying **** you.

I'm a Knicks fan, and, as much as I loved last year, it's atrocious how these guys do what they want. Denver had no choice in the matter. Bron, Wade, and Bosh clearly had this planned. Horrible. They deserve to get killed on this CBA.

I think the current system is broken, so yeah, I have a problem with the system in place....but as you see, a system can't be created without both sides agreeing. You sleep in the bed you make....and both sides had an equal share in killing the league...so are you mad at the poor decisions made by the owners? goes both ways.

And in the end it's all irrelevant l, b/c changes essential to the health of the league isn't what is holding up basketball for us now.

[OSUFan_88]

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If Wednesday comes and goes without a deal, then I will pack it in for the season. The owners won't budge and the players will probably decertify.

As in many things in life, when radicals have control, the everyday people are screwed.

[cjonesfan921]

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I think the current system is broken, so yeah, I have a problem with the system in place....but as you see, a system can't be created without both sides agreeing. You sleep in the bed you make....and both sides had an equal share in killing the league...so are you mad at the poor decisions made by the owners? goes both ways.

And in the end it's all irrelevant l, b/c changes essential to the health of the league isn't what is holding up basketball for us now.

Believe it or not, not all owners made bad decisions. Unfortunately, it is much more difficult for small market owners to entice players to come play for them. That, eventually, leads to inflation of salaries. Who's to blame? Just about everyone. However, I don't fully blame the owners, at all. Teams like Cleveland, Indiana, Charlotte, Sacramento, Memphis, etc., are at a competitive disadvantage.

I can honestly say I put more blame on the players. I sympathize with small market owners. They can only overpay to try and get a player to come to their team.

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LOL. I know I've said this 8 times already but Wednesday is really DDay. This is what the owners will offer if they reject the deal:

"In addition to a 47 percent share of revenues for the players and a flex cap, those terms also would include a relinquishing of guaranteed contracts and a rollback of existing salaries, sources familiar with the hard-line owners' position said."

I hope this isnt the position on Wednesday