NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

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You're taking things way too far man and getting too emotional

[TN3LL]

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WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Some ownership willingness to meet w/ players before Wednesday deadline, but no labor relations call set to decide, management source says.

[Mintsa]

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I think they'll meet one more time before the wednesday "deadline".

[aholbert32]

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From Howard Beck:

"The ultimatum issued by the N.B.A. to its players over the weekend not only threatens them with a worse labor deal, but also a massive pay cut if they do not make a deal by Wednesday afternoon.
A letter sent by David Stern, the commissioner of the N.B.A., to the players union Sunday contrasts the proposal on the table — highlighted by a 50-50 split of revenues — with a “reset” proposal that would cut the players’ share to 47 percent, roll back current contracts, impose a hard salary cap and reduce contract lengths.

The salary rollback, which was part of the N.B.A.’s first controversial proposal in 2010, had not been included in any league proposal for many months, and it was not publicly mentioned by Stern when he announced the ultimatum Saturday night.

But the rollback was included in the letter Stern sent to Billy Hunter, the union’s executive director. A copy of the letter was obtained by The New York Times.

The union has until 5 p.m. Wednesday to accept the N.B.A.’s last proposal or have it replaced by the reset proposal, Stern wrote."

[CharliePrince]

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You're taking things way too far man and getting too emotional

it's actually the other way around I'm pretty much done with it and am ready for the season to be cancelled

gonna be a rough summer without anything in primetime, but oh well

[RedSceptile]

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Damn Stern getting them shovels ready to hand over to Fisher and Hunter so they can help dig their own graves LOL.

[King_B_Mack]

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It doesn't matter King b because they weren't doing it before and they can't do it now and he knows that...

True, but how much of that is the players not doing it before have to do with the players as well as Stern's insistance to piss on everything the NBA does with his legion of screwup refs and seemingly fixed games? The players weren't doing it, but the just like this current mess the NBA made sure they left they're fingerprint in it too.

It doesn't matter if the players have public support or not, we definitely don't have theirs because their intentions are just as selfish as the owners are.

This I don't agree with either. Obviously they both are selfish, that's not what I'm arguing. But as we move further once this thing is finally settled, people are going to be even more against the players/the NBA than they already were before this thing started. So they weren't doing it before the lockout when people couldn't stand them and now they're supposed to do it after this mess? Nevermind the fact throughout all this the league still hasn't made one damn move to fix their officiating problem.

My whole point about the public support is that the league will NEVER get to that point again unless the Earth opens up and swallows the NFL or something. Baseball players are crucified over steroids, Palmero, Bonds, Clemens these guys are ghosts because of the steroids talks over them, one of them doesn't even have a smoking gun in they're accusations. Meanwhile Rodney Harrison is a prominent analyst on one of the NFL's prime programs and nobody has a problem with this. NBA players are still looked at like the uneducated, thugged out criminals of the sports world while more NFL players are getting arrested, suspended, fined and whatnot for things either on par or worse than what the NBA guys are doing. It's a different time as you guys have said. The NFL pretty much can do no wrong cause it's easier to gamble and play fantasy sports on so they're going to keep making money while the NBA doesn't have that. They maybe able to get to 5 or 6 billion for the league at some point but they're not going to touch what the NFL is doing and that's what the standards the owners are pretty much looking for.

Just do this and end it.. meet with all of the players and put this deal to a vote and see what happens. If they're really united then prove it..but like I said, he wont do it because its not his terms.

This I'm pretty much with you on. At this point it's not worth it too keep this thing going. They've stuck out their chests, they didn't just bend over and take it from the NBA, they put up their fight so they need to just end this already. Also for the record, the union should gather up every player from every team with the exception of the roster of the Miami Heat and Carmelo Anthony and allow an hour long session of kicking the **** out LeBron, Wade, Bosh and Melo cause any chance the Union ever had went out the window the second they went through with that free agency thing. If television has taught us anything, it's that nobody likes being made a fool of, but when it's rich *** people that have been made a fool of, they will take those riches and crush you with them.

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From Howard Beck:

"The ultimatum issued by the N.B.A. to its players over the weekend not only threatens them with a worse labor deal, but also a massive pay cut if they do not make a deal by Wednesday afternoon.
A letter sent by David Stern, the commissioner of the N.B.A., to the players union Sunday contrasts the proposal on the table — highlighted by a 50-50 split of revenues — with a “reset” proposal that would cut the players’ share to 47 percent, roll back current contracts, impose a hard salary cap and reduce contract lengths.

The salary rollback, which was part of the N.B.A.’s first controversial proposal in 2010, had not been included in any league proposal for many months, and it was not publicly mentioned by Stern when he announced the ultimatum Saturday night.

But the rollback was included in the letter Stern sent to Billy Hunter, the union’s executive director. A copy of the letter was obtained by The New York Times.

The union has until 5 p.m. Wednesday to accept the N.B.A.’s last proposal or have it replaced by the reset proposal, Stern wrote."

Wow, so its a now or never... you either take this current deal or you decide between this and a decert


and just when you thought it couldn't get worse, it does. I dont care what your principles are, this aint gonna end well if you wait any longer

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True, but how much of that is the players not doing it before have to do with the players as well as Stern's insistance to piss on everything the NBA does with his legion of screwup refs and seemingly fixed games? The players weren't doing it, but the just like this current mess the NBA made sure they left they're fingerprint in it too.


This I don't agree with either. Obviously they both are selfish, that's not what I'm arguing. But as we move further once this thing is finally settled, people are going to be even more against the players/the NBA than they already were before this thing started. So they weren't doing it before the lockout when people couldn't stand them and now they're supposed to do it after this mess? Nevermind the fact throughout all this the league still hasn't made one damn move to fix their officiating problem.

My whole point about the public support is that the league will NEVER get to that point again unless the Earth opens up and swallows the NFL or something. Baseball players are crucified over steroids, Palmero, Bonds, Clemens these guys are ghosts because of the steroids talks over them, one of them doesn't even have a smoking gun in they're accusations. Meanwhile Rodney Harrison is a prominent analyst on one of the NFL's prime programs and nobody has a problem with this. NBA players are still looked at like the uneducated, thugged out criminals of the sports world while more NFL players are getting arrested, suspended, fined and whatnot for things either on par or worse than what the NBA guys are doing. It's a different time as you guys have said. The NFL pretty much can do no wrong cause it's easier to gamble and play fantasy sports on so they're going to keep making money while the NBA doesn't have that. They maybe able to get to 5 or 6 billion for the league at some point but they're not going to touch what the NFL is doing and that's what the standards the owners are pretty much looking for.



This I'm pretty much with you on. At this point it's not worth it too keep this thing going. They've stuck out their chests, they didn't just bend over and take it from the NBA, they put up their fight so they need to just end this already. Also for the record, the union should gather up every player from every team with the exception of the roster of the Miami Heat and Carmelo Anthony and allow an hour long session of kicking the **** out LeBron, Wade, Bosh and Melo cause any chance the Union ever had went out the window the second they went through with that free agency thing. If television has taught us anything, it's that nobody likes being made a fool of, but when it's rich *** people that have been made a fool of, they will take those riches and crush you with them.

I don't agree with Stern's lack of attention to fixing the ref issues one bit, but this is aside from that issue. Reality is the players just aren't as magnetic as they think they are for lack of a better term. They dont have the ratings, they dont have the viewership, they dont have the public support... at some point you should take a look at this and wonder why

I also dont like the fact that the league has to continually spout off ratings numbers and try to manufacture(sp?) drama and fake rivalries to try to make things interesting

IMO guaranteed contracts should be GONE. Give those guys their 52 percent but take those guarantees off. You want to talk about a better nba, that would help

[Mintsa]

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Wow, so its a now or never... you either take this current deal or you decided between this and a decert


and just when you thought it couldn't get worse, it does. I dont care what your principles are, this aint gonna end well if you wait any longer

And no way Stern will back off this ultimatum. It's basically do or die time for this deal and this season. It's gonna be nuts come 5:01pm on Wednesday if the the players dont take the deal or get back to some long bargaining seasons today and tomorrow.

[da ThRONe]

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Did you have a problem with the players abusing the CBA the past 10 years? This is how the owners, for the small market teams, are saying **** you.

I'm a Knicks fan, and, as much as I loved last year, it's atrocious how these guys do what they want. Denver had no choice in the matter. Bron, Wade, and Bosh clearly had this planned. Horrible. They deserve to get killed on this CBA.

LOL how did they abuse the CBA.

This clearly isn't about the system because the one proposed now will end up being worse for parity. Small/Mid Rev teams will now be ensured they will turn a profit, despite putting together a crap team. We should call this the "Sterling" CBA.

[CharliePrince]

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jsut cancel the season, why? nothing will be done

there's no offers or numbers or ANYTHING in their world right now?

you people realize what's going on? here I'll break it down to reality

the NBAPA only sees an ultimatum, Stern bullying them, no way will they be bullied

that's their stance

no offers, no numbers, no talks, nothing.. it's a perceived bullying attempt by Stern upon which are acting on

they don't know what's going on, reality is so far from their heads right now

just cancel the season smack some reality back in these players' heads

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This late in the game I dont think Stern can back off if he wanted to

I am tired of these guys meeting then leaving then meeting then leaving

Just stay there and accept something.. inept leadership comes into play when you can't make a decision

[da ThRONe]

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I don't agree with Stern's lack of attention to fixing the ref issues one bit, but this is aside from that issue. Reality is the players just aren't as magnetic as they think they are for lack of a better term. They dont have the ratings, they dont have the viewership, they dont have the public support... at some point you should take a look at this and wonder why

I also dont like the fact that the league has to continually spout off ratings numbers and try to manufacture(sp?) drama and fake rivalries to try to make things interesting

IMO guaranteed contracts should be GONE. Give those guys their 52 percent but take those guarantees off. You want to talk about a better nba, that would help

Please don't derail this thread with talks of things that aren't being discussed. Non-guaranteed contracts are not on the table and is an awful idea.

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Please don't derail this thread with talks of things that aren't being discussed. Non-guaranteed contracts are not on the table and is an awful idea.

What?

You're already on a slippery trail..

Its best you contribute to the topic and not try instructing other posters what to do