NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[WTF]

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That FA "Veteran" is probably AI, lol.

Seriously though.... You'd rather lose the year, and come back next year and get a worse offer... ? Is that what I'm hearing? Because you know that the owners will be even more hardcore next year.

[Kashanova]

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So in essence he's complaining that under the proposed system there might be just a little more competitive balance since the teams who are currently contenders can't continue to bolster their rosters as at the expense of the non-contenders; at least not as freely as they could before.

There were two things the league wanted going in, more BRI split and more competitive balance amongst the big market teams and the small market teams.

I don't know all the fine print details of this proposal but it seems like this deal does it in a much less cut-throat way than the leagues owners wanted to initially. It's frustrating to hear the complaining about it because it could and possibly should have been much worse. And that's where it's going soon and at this point, I sort of hope it does.

thing is a lot of the teams that are under the cap don't spend money, this is the case with most of the teams under the cap

[aholbert32]

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Exactly. It doesn't limit player movement if the players are willing to make less to play on stacked teams. For example, no matter what the luxury tax is, teams like the Lakers, Knicks and Mavs will always be over it because they have owners who want to contend and cities that bring in a ton of revenue.

Take Ron Artest for example. Under the proposed system, 2 years ago he would have had to make a tough decision. Either take 2.5 mil for 2 years from Cleveland or LA (Lux tax teams) or take 5 mil for 4 yrs from a non luxury tax team. Under the old system both teams could make the same.

The biggest reason why I disagree with the players position on the system changes is that the luxury tax teams are all in favor of these changes. They have no issue with the changes and thats a sign that no matter how high the tax is, those owners will still spend money.

[TN3LL]

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That FA "Veteran" is probably AI, lol.

Seriously though.... You'd rather lose the year, and come back next year and get a worse offer... ? Is that what I'm hearing? Because you know that the owners will be even more hardcore next year.

exactly. makes no sense at all to sit out a whole year just for that

[aholbert32]

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thing is a lot of the teams that are under the cap don't spend money, this is the case with most of the teams under the cap

They don't because there isn't sufficient revenue sharing. There will be under the current proposal. The Kings don't spend money because the team is losing money. That won't be the case under the new system.

[jeremym480]

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That FA "Veteran" is probably AI, lol.

Seriously though.... You'd rather lose the year, and come back next year and get a worse offer... ? Is that what I'm hearing? Because you know that the owners will be even more hardcore next year.

Yep. If they do lose a year the owners will make up for it with a deal that is even better for them. They will make up the lost year in the long run. The players will not. I'd love to hear what guys like Grant Hill, Ray Allen & Steve Nash are leaning towards... decert or playing b-ball.

[clipperfan811]

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alanhahn Alan Hahn
Another veteran I talked to is a free agent. Said, "I would rather lose a year than take the B.S. they're offering." #NBA

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Starting to get more texts from players pushing for decertification. @WojYahooNBA, others hearing talk of taking deal. Uncertainty reigns.

How do they think that the deal will be better after losing a year? I know everyone keeps saying the same thing but even if they're not the smartest guys out there, what they can't afford to have smart people tell them whats up? Or is it just that nobody on their pay roll has the balls to introduce them to reality?

[aholbert32]

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How do they think that the deal will be better after losing a year? I know everyone keeps saying the same thing but even if they're not the smartest guys out there, what they can't afford to have smart people tell them whats up? Or is it just that nobody on their pay roll has the balls to introduce them to reality?

Decertification. Their agents and the union attorneys have them thinking that its a viable option. That either the league will be come wary of the legal fees and lawsuits or that one of the lawsuits will result in a successful judgment or an injunction forcing the league to lift the lockout.

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Someone should make Fisher and Hunter sit down and watch every "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong" skit from Chappelle's Show about a hundred times in a row before the next meeting. Morons.

[goh]

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alanhahn Alan Hahn
Another veteran I talked to is a free agent. Said, "I would rather lose a year than take the B.S. they're offering." #NBA

BS they're offering? You mean you'd have to ruin ya chillens Xmas when you're only making 2 million instead of 5 million? Oh lawdy lawdy,have to send them to public school! They'd have to walk by crackhead Joe everyday! That's right walk! Cause you can't afford your car no mo' with 2 million! Have to live down in the ghetto! They'd have to play basketball on their local public net with the chain half hanging off instead of the backyard? Ah my goodness! No one has to do that! It's inhumane! What's wrong with these owners!? 120 mil cap and 10 mil for everyone per season! Anything less is unacceptable!

Take your damn 51-49 fools! It's 1.99 million more than you'll be getting if this keeps up.

[cmebfresh]

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Deron Williams on twitter said " l’ve been ready to sign a decertification petition since July? Can’t believe we are just now going this route! SMH"

The players are just sick and tired of the whole situation

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Deron's been in Turkey collecting his 5 million dollars

Im not sure what he wants to decert for

After sleeping on it, I still can't get with what these guys are doing

[NINJAK2]

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Several NBA players responded to a report that Michael Jordan is leading a charge of hardline small market owners.
"I'm not wearing Jordans no more," Washington Wizards guard Nick Young said. "Can't believe what I just seen and heard from MJ. Elvis Done Left The Building."

"Damn MJ," Indiana Pacers guard Paul George wondered aloud. "That's how you feel?"

Klay Thompson replied to George: "You think the 1996 MJ would pull this? Straight hypocrite bro."

George agreed: "Man straight hypocrite bro.. He should've been the 1st one behind us smh."

Via Ben Golliver/CBS Sports


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1cvQyHgVY

Smart ploy by Stern to put MJ out on the frontline from a PR standpoint. Klay's got a point but MJ is all about getting Max dollars so I'm not surprised. If Klay became an owner he would not be ok with giving players a bigger piece of the pie either.

[clipperfan811]

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Decertification. Their agents and the union attorneys have them thinking that its a viable option. That either the league will be come wary of the legal fees and lawsuits or that one of the lawsuits will result in a successful judgment or an injunction forcing the league to lift the lockout.

Don't get me wrong, I know that's the trend right now, "everyone scream desertification real loud so the NBA can hear us". I just think it's stupid at this point when it seems as if they're haggling, seemingly for show, on the final cents of a multi-billion dollar deal.

I guess what really really gets me is the players going on twitter and acting like if they're being asked to dance in the streets for pennies.

[TN3LL]

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ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
Sources familiar w/union's plans tell ESPN that NBPA has summoned player reps from all 30 teams to mandatory Tuesday meeting in NYC

KBergCBS Ken Berger
Union source says mandatory player rep meeting in NY was discussed, but no final decision has been made.