NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[aholbert32]

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which is why everyone is blaming the (or should) PLAYERS on this

they are delusionally steadfast on 52-48 and REJECTED a 51 offer

51 and they reject it

......I'm all for having a season but at this point I'm thinking these players need the hammer to hit them

cancel the season if need be, drop it to 43%, teach these ****s a lesson they'll never forget

They actually didn't reject 51. They rejected a 49-51 band which is basically a 50% offer.

[CharliePrince]

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Fisher needs to hand the torch over to Battier.

funny, he was the one person I thought of as well..

if any player needs to lead them, it would be him

[The 24th Letter]

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Wouldn't matter if Battier were there, we'd be in the same place

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Right now we should be rejoicing a shorter season.

Too bad they wouldnt even listen to cohen

Oh and paul george and these youngins are too emotional... Thats why guys like them have no business being there. Its business and theyre talking, about not wearing mjs again lol...I see mentally they would've been spanked up by mj like everybody else.. Referencing long ago when he was how old..like 6...he had no understanding of then, nor now


If they want to talk fair they were given 57% for 12 years and now, not only is fisher not confident they can perform it up to 51% but if they don't agree they'll really find out what getting screwed is

50% a mid, level, amnesty, guaranteed contacts, etc etc...when you start to even it out, it won't look do bad when you have less than that

Ask spreewell

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[clipperfan811]

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Nazr Mohammed: A Luxury Tax and teams that pay it can't bid on the services of free agents...Sounds like a hard cap to me. I get it now...it's time 2 punish the teams with money, who prospered under last CBA, or has a following outside of their state. Twitter

Nazr Mohammed: I'm cool with whatever is best for our union but I hope it's understood that we're being offered a deal where the top teams won't be able to bid for ur services when u become a FA. Teams known for spending money hands will be tied and u will be forced to either re-sign w/ ur current team or take a lot less on the open market. But there will be no open market bcuz teams like the Lakers, Miami, NY, Boston, etc couldnt even be part of the FA process Twitter

Nazr Mohammed: Everyone knows that ur value is set by the available teams wanting to bid for ur services. If there aren't any teams who can spend then u don't have any negotiating power. So players will have to decide between the mid-level, bi-annual exception, their veterans minimum or take whatever ur current team offers. If ur cool w/ that then this is the deal for u. SMH. Twitter

So he's mad about teams having to have cap space to sign free agents? Like seriously? As far as I've read the only difference is that under the proposed deal teams who are into the luxury tax can't sign and trade for players. They'd have to sign for the mini-mid level of 2.5 Mil or go to a team with cap space.....

I'm glad there are unfiltered streams to the thoughts of these guys. I put's it out in the open for all to see.

[J_Posse]

Well, looks like 2K12 is the only pro basketball we'll see until 2012. I feel bad for all the arena workers, vendors, valets, local businesses, team staff and sponsors (lower level workers). They will be most hurt by this, especially is these rough economic times, but the players and owners could give a ****. To think that some local players were actually partying it up last night - as if they have something to celebrate - at a local D.C. club. **** them!!!!

On a personal note: I really, truly will be hurt if this the end of the road for Tim Duncan. My favorite team's greatest player career ending on two very sour notes. ****, I will truly hate Derek Fisher, Bill Hunter, David Stern and the "blood-line" owners.

from Bills Backer Clubhouse

[CharliePrince]

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Right now we should be rejoicing a shorter season.

Too bad they wouldnt even listen to cohen

Oh and paul george and these youngins are too emotional... Thats why guys like them have no business being there. Its business and theyre talking, about not wearing mjs again lol...I see mentally they would've been spanked up by mj like everybody else.. Referencing long ago when he was how old..like 6...he had no understanding of then, nor now


If they want to talk fair they were given 57% for 12 years and now, not only is fisher not confident they can perform it up to 51% but if they don't agree they'll really find out what getting screwed is

50% a mid, level, amnesty, guaranteed contacts, etc etc...when you start to even it out, it won't look do bad when you have less than that

Ask spreewell

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the thing that gets me is even at 50%, that deal is nowhere near worse than the deal the nflpa accepted and the NFL is by far a bigger richer pie than the nba

......sure you say, different sports, more players in the nfl but if the nflpa can accept a deal worse than the nbapa right now is being offered

i find it utterly ridiculous that the nbapa is rejecting these offers out of sheer dumb stupid pride

at this point im honestly all for foregoing the season i'm taking this personal now

these dumb ****s need to learn a lesson, bigtime

[CMH]

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Well, looks like 2K12 is the only pro basketball we'll see until 2012. I feel bad for all the arena workers, vendors, valets, local businesses, team staff and sponsors (lower level workers). They will be most hurt by this, especially is these rough economic times

It's not that serious. Sure, they lose out on a game or two a week they could have made money, but the arenas have events all season long. Those people are always working and will have work.

The faster Stern cancels games, the quicker the arenas can re-book the dates set for the NBA games. Then those vendors, valets, local businesses won't be missing out on the day or two a week.

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So he's mad about teams having to have cap space to sign free agents? Like seriously? As far as I've read the only difference is that under the proposed deal teams who are into the luxury tax can't sign and trade for players. They'd have to sign for the mini-mid level of 2.5 Mil or go to a team with cap space.....

I'm glad there are unfiltered streams to the thoughts of these guys. I put's it out in the open for all to see.

There's a good chance I'm misunderstanding, but I agree, I don't get his point.

There's always been a luxury tax. Teams that paid the tax were always above the cap limit. Those teams were always unable to participate in free agency. As a Knicks fan, I know. Maybe Nazr forgot about his tenure in New York. I don't blame him. I rather forget it too.

All the higher tax does is make those teams share the wealth among the smaller market teams so they could...oh, man, here it goes...pay guys like Nazr to play basketball.

Goodness.

[OSUFan_88]

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Wow, apparently 3 million is going to make a massive difference between free agency bidding.

**** off, everyone.

[Kashanova]

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I think Nazr point is that it limits the choices of teams he can play for.

[OSUFan_88]

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I think Nazr point is that it limits the choices of teams he can play for.

That's not true at all.

It limits how much money he can make, though. And if so, too bad.

[aholbert32]

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That's not true at all.

It limits how much money he can make, though. And if so, too bad.

Exactly. He's complaining because now he has to make a hard decision. If he wants to make the most money, he has to play for a team under the cap. If he wants to play for a luxury tax team....he has to take less money.

[RedSceptile]

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Exactly. He's complaining because now he has to make a hard decision. If he wants to make the most money, he has to play for a team under the cap. If he wants to play for a luxury tax team....he has to take less money.

So if I'm understanding this correctly Aaron he's basically complaining about playing on say a team for less money that more times then none will be a championship contender or a team way they the cap that is like in rebuilding mode for a large part? (not to say every team way under is rebuilding or every team way over is championship caliber )

[clipperfan811]

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Exactly. He's complaining because now he has to make a hard decision. If he wants to make the most money, he has to play for a team under the cap. If he wants to play for a luxury tax team....he has to take less money.

So in essence he's complaining that under the proposed system there might be just a little more competitive balance since the teams who are currently contenders can't continue to bolster their rosters as at the expense of the non-contenders; at least not as freely as they could before.

There were two things the league wanted going in, more BRI split and more competitive balance amongst the big market teams and the small market teams.

I don't know all the fine print details of this proposal but it seems like this deal does it in a much less cut-throat way than the leagues owners wanted to initially. It's frustrating to hear the complaining about it because it could and possibly should have been much worse. And that's where it's going soon and at this point, I sort of hope it does.

[TN3LL]

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alanhahn Alan Hahn
Another veteran I talked to is a free agent. Said, "I would rather lose a year than take the B.S. they're offering." #NBA

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Starting to get more texts from players pushing for decertification. @WojYahooNBA, others hearing talk of taking deal. Uncertainty reigns.