NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

So basically by about 7-8pm, we should no longer see this thread stickied uptop??

Thank freaking goodness lol

[goh]

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So what happens if the owners vote it down?

[Dice]

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So what happens if the owners vote it down?

Then the players would have all the leverage

BUT in all seriousness, the owners would have reputations that would be lower than anything possible now. If they reneged on an agreement that they said yes to verbally, their leverage with the public would be all but gone. This would be worst than the player's 'Unite' campaign that they were pushing during the lockout.

[OSUFan_88]

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So what happens if the owners vote it down?

Not even worth discussing.

If they did, then you may as well disband the league, because the lockout will last forever.

[The 24th Letter]

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Lol @ the LA/NO trade.

Ladies and Gentlemen: Your competitive balance that those poor owners fought so hard for.

[OSUFan_88]

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Lol @ the LA/NO trade.

Ladies and Gentlemen: Your competitive balance that those poor owners fought so hard for.

Just so you are aware, the 3rd year of the CBA makes it significantly harder to do this.

[OSUFan_88]

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Lockout over:

@usat_jzillgitt
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NBA owners ratify CBA and reach resolution on revenue sharing plan, NBA Commish David Stern said.
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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Lockout over so can one the mods please unsticky this.

This is a day I've waited for since July 1 lol

[OSUFan_88]

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The vote was 25-5 on the Owners vote.

[OSUFan_88]

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Less than half of the eligible players voted for the CBA. LMAO, these guys.

[bigeastbumrush]

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RT @KBergCBS: When league business opens tomorrow, salary cap will be $58.044M, tax line will be $70.307M, and minimum payroll of $46.435M.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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I hate to be the one that bumps this but...

At the halfway point of an NBA season we thought we would never have, on the verge of an All-Star weekend that will once again showcase what's good and healthy about the NBA, it's my sad duty to pause for a moment and reflect on something that gives me the creeps.


It's something that came out of Mavericks owner Mark Cuban's mouth this week, something that grossed me out even more than 14-hour-old pizza sitting in a box on the marble floor of the Waldorf Astoria -- even more than typing lockout stories while sitting on the sidewalk on 63rd Street outside The Lowell hotel at 2:30 in the morning.

During the Mavs' annual trip to Madison Square Garden this week, Cuban did his customary pregame session with the media from a seat on the visitor's bench. As usual, it was informative and entertaining. But something he said last Sunday morning before the Mavs played the Knicks made me cringe.


I asked Cuban how long it would be before NBA owners knew whether they had negotiated a good deal during the 149-day lockout that came dangerously close to canceling the entire season. "Three or four years," he said, and that seemed reasonable. It isn't until Year 3 when more punitive luxury-tax measures and other provisions aimed at creating more competitive balance kick in.


Then I asked Cuban what criteria should be evaluated to determine if the owners got a good deal, and he only provided one.


"Are all the teams making money?" he said.


And I almost fell down.


So let me get this straight: The five-month lockout, with all the 16-hour bargaining sessions and idiocy that transpired, was supposed to result in a collective bargaining agreement that allowed every team in the NBA to turn a profit? When did this happen? Who came up with this rule? Do they know there are NBA teams in New Orleans, Memphis, Charlotte, Milwaukee and Sacramento?


Because as I recall -- and believe me, I recall all too well -- this was not how the owners' goals were described on dozens of occasions throughout the negotiations. Not once, not ever, did deputy commissioner Adam Silver -- the owners' lead negotiator -- mention anything about the goal of the lockout being to ensure that all 30 teams were profitable. Instead, Silver said the following, over and over:


"Our goal is to have a system in which all 30 teams are competing for championships, and if well-managed, they have an opportunity to break even or make a profit."


The key words being "if well-managed," "opportunity," "break even or make a profit," and, well, all the other words.


This is not what Cuban said last Sunday.


"We'll see what happens if we have a chance to opt out of it in six years," Cuban said.


Holy Waldorf, Batman.


So one of two things has happened here: Either Cuban has mischaracterized the criteria by which owners will evaluate the new CBA when they have the chance to opt out of it in 2017, or the owners already have changed the rules before playing even half of one season under the new agreement.


I asked Cuban if profitability took precedence over competitive balance, two issues that Silver made all too clear during the lockout should be viewed as "independent."


"If all the teams have a chance to compete, then you have a better chance of making money," Cuban said. "If you have a better chance of retaining your star players, you have a better chance of making money. So they all go hand in hand."


Last time I checked -- from whatever hotel lobby I was standing in at the time -- "hand in hand" and "independent" are not the same thing.


Why is this troubling? Well, maybe it shouldn't be. Maybe Cuban simply misspoke, and maybe he's not on the same page as the league office -- as is often the case. But just a fair warning: If he meant what he said, then you should be concerned about how the owners plan to evaluate the effectiveness of this CBA when their opportunity to opt out of it comes in 2017. If the goal really was to make all 30 teams profitable, I'm afraid you'll be reading my lockout tweets from some sidewalk in Manhattan 5½ short years from now.

How u?

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/17390760/midseason-report-cuban-view-on-teams-money-troubling-and-lebrons-mvp

[SteelersFreak]

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That sounds like a little bit of an overreaction.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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How so?

10char

[SteelersFreak]

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How so?

10char

Knowing Cuban, I'd say its probably a 90% chance that he misrepresented it, not that he's articulating a sudden change in what the owners want.