NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

[Kashanova]

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A hard cap prevents Miami from happening. It prevents players from only going to income tax free states or big markets like LA and NY. A hard cap makes GM's think twice about paying Rashard Lewis huge deals. A Hard cap plus limiting the length of guaranteed contracts makes it difficult for guys like Curry and Lewis flat out steal money for large amounts of time.

I don't know if this is true, if they were sincere and really care about winning, the same situation can happen again and instead of three superstars having max contracts they could probably have smaller contracts instead

[Iman2907]

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So Im guessing nba will start late?

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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A hard cap prevents Miami from happening. It prevents players from only going to income tax free states or big markets like LA and NY. A hard cap makes GM's think twice about paying Rashard Lewis huge deals. A Hard cap plus limiting the length of guaranteed contracts makes it difficult for guys like Curry and Lewis flat out steal money for large amounts of time.

A hard cap also punishes teams for being good. A perfect example is the Blackhawks. They win the Stanley Cup and than they're forced to trade away good players because of a hard cap. They had to go down to the wire just to make the playoffs last season. If you're a season ticket holder spending thousands of dollars, how is this good for you?

Another example is my team, the Canucks. The hard cap caused my team to lose a key player, Christian Ehroff. The Canucks wanted to keep him but they didn't have the cap room to sign him. If the NHL didn't have a hard cap, I'm 99% positive he would still be playing with the Canucks.

I'm against a hard cap and I hope we don't get one in the NBA. The NBA players have already offered the owners a reduced percentage of BRI. The current CBA is already pretty fair to both sides. The Owners want a system that will protect them from themselves but they don't want to admit this

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I don't know if this is true, if they were sincere and really care about winning, the same situation can happen again and instead of three superstars having max contracts they could probably have smaller contracts instead

The NBA is a Lifestyle league.

ALL of that would be secondary to the money.

If there is a Hard Cap, there'd be no mWo's or future Super Knicks teams.

But my stance on this has been to either enact a Hard Cap or just say **** it and let the owners spend how much they want and abolish the Salary Cap altogether.

[Tymes Rhymes]

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Chris Sheridan gives a little hope.

http://sheridanhoops.com/2011/09/13/nba-lockout-dont-panic-they-are-posturing/

[da ThRONe]

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In the end, would a hard-cap really stop players from colluding? Or make David Kahn a better GM?! I know my comment is very general but it seems like these two issues will put us in the exact spot we were in with the last bargaining agreement...With the same money being lost by franchises(or a little less due to revenue sharing).

No it wouldn't stop player from teaming up, but it would stop them from teaming up making 8 figures while maintaining a championship level team. No bad GM's will still be bad, but there's a safety net in place so guys don't give Rashard Lewis money away to well Rashard Lewis.

[da ThRONe]

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I think the middle ground is a medium cap. Start the luxury tax at every penny over the cap 2.5 to 4 dollars for every dollar over the cap. Have the ceiling not exceed 10-15% of the cap have a cap floor no lower than 10-15% of the cap.

[TheMatrix31]

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The NBA is a Lifestyle league.

ALL of that would be secondary to the money.

If there is a Hard Cap, there'd be no mWo's or future Super Knicks teams.

But my stance on this has been to either enact a Hard Cap or just say **** it and let the owners spend how much they want and abolish the Salary Cap altogether.

Right there with you. If there was no cap, maybe Sarver wouldn't have forced Kerr to sell Kurt Thomas AND TWO firsts to the Sonics just to save that money that would have gone to his salary + the luxury tax. And maybe that wouldn't have been the beginning of the end for the team.

Maybe, just maybe.

[nron]

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Hard cap is a good idea. Why shouldn't smaller market teams get a fair chance to win?! It would restore a lot of people's faith in the league. I think, to a degree, the players are being unfair.

[BiggD]

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Hard cap is a good idea. Why shouldn't smaller market teams get a fair chance to win?! It would restore a lot of people's faith in the league. I think, to a degree, the players are being unfair.

Starting to feel the same, why should teams suffer because of location.. should all be equal IMO

[TheMatrix31]

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I hope there's language that installs some limits on how long a referee can serve. Also age limits. And some other things in that regard.

It is absolutely critical that this whole referee/officiating mess be fixed, because there are people like me who don't have 100% faith in the legitimacy of the sport all the time. Once you even start questioning the legitimacy of what you're watching, it's a bad, bad problem.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I think that's separate from the CBA if I'm not mistaken because I think I read something that even if the Players and the Owners agreed to a new CBA, the Refs would still be "locked out" since their deal with the league is up as well.

I could be wrong and maybe I got the wrong sport but I could've sworn I heard something to that extent.

[The 24th Letter]

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Thats on point as far as it being seperate. These discussions have absolutely nothing to do with rules\officiating.

So these folks "wanting" a lockout thinking is going to lead to some major revamping of league rules will be dissapointed.

These discussions start and end with $, not how many calls Kobe gets.

[TheMatrix31]

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Which sucks. It should all be fixed at once.

[Dice]

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I'm surprised about people's concern about the officials on this board. During the season, most of you would have been glad if the NBA removed all their referees as much as people complained about their bad officiating.