NBA Lockout and Collective Bargaining Agreement Discussion

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Its absolutely the wrong way to go. The NFLPA tried it and it still negotiated a crappy deal. Plus it complicates the deal once a settlement is reached because the NBAPA has to recertify and that takes time.

What leverage do these agents feel this will give them?

I just dont see it to be quite honest... if they jump in thats one crowd too many in on this thing

[Iman2907]

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So fellas, I've been reading all your posts & plenty of smart dudes on here. So i wanted to ask

What are the chances of a season this year??
Will it start on time??
Will we even get a season??

Im very curious, I love bball way to much man..

[Shakedowncapo]

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Good point. I just dont think that was likely. I dont think Lebron, Wade and Bosh would have signed if they didnt all couldnt get max money. I have no problems with players sacrificing money to win. The Heat trio didnt have to do that though. They all got max money.

I think they all took a few million less than max money to re-sign Udonis Haslem(with Wade making less than Bosh/Bron). They also freed up some money by completing sign & trades with Cleveland and Toronto(which Miami gave each of them picks and trade exceptions of 10mil+)

Under the right circumstances these guys will take less money if it gets them face time 30x a year on TV, along with good money.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Everything is playing out the way Stern/Owners imagined.

The Player's Union is crumbling. They have a meeting tommorow in Vegas and Hunter doesn't even have a new proposal from the Owner's to present to the players. The top agents are trying to overthrow him and the players are losing faith in him.

It's obvious a hard cap is coming in. The Player's Union thought the Owners would soften their stance and it hasn't happened. At this point, I can still see the Union "winning" a few items if they accept a hard cap right now:

- Teams must spend at least %90 of the cap each season
- Contract lengths stay the same (6/5) or only move down a year (5/4)
- CBA won't be 10 years and the new one will expire when the TV contracts expire


Stern has said the offers are only going to get worse once games are cancelled. There's no reason to believe right now that he's not telling the truth.

[TheMatrix31]

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No cap is a horrible idea. I turns the NBA into the English Premier league in Soccer where only 4-6 teams are able to be contenders each year.

Agreed. I wouldn't want that, was just speaking on PPM's point.

The CBA doesnt cover that. That is a separate deal between the refs union and the NBA.

Yeah I know. Isn't the ref CBA done too though right now?

[OSUFan_88]

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I'm telling you right now:

Gilbert will get the votes from all the owners, or atleast a majority. All the small market teams will rally around Gilbert. Plus, Gilbert and Cuban are good friends.

Gilbert will not rest until there is a salary cap.

BTW, I think Billy Hunter getting the boot is a good thing. The players could accept a hard cap, and no union chief will be the one that folded on the hard cap.

I also think Stern's time is quickly fading. He's lost all his supporters among the owners. I don't think it's crazy to assume we get a new NBA commissioner by the end of the lockout either.

[TheMatrix31]

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One could only hope. Stern needs to be Mubarak'ed.

[Dice]

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I also think Stern's time is quickly fading. He's lost all his supporters among the owners. I don't think it's crazy to assume we get a new NBA commissioner by the end of the lockout either.

As much as I want to believe that, I'd put my money on the NBA starting training camp on time this year than Stern not being NBA commissioner.

[da ThRONe]

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I'm telling you right now:

Gilbert will get the votes from all the owners, or atleast a majority. All the small market teams will rally around Gilbert. Plus, Gilbert and Cuban are good friends.

Gilbert will not rest until there is a salary cap.

BTW, I think Billy Hunter getting the boot is a good thing. The players could accept a hard cap, and no union chief will be the one that folded on the hard cap.

I also think Stern's time is quickly fading. He's lost all his supporters among the owners. I don't think it's crazy to assume we get a new NBA commissioner by the end of the lockout either.

No way we see a hard cap. That would kill the LAL, ORL, NYK, MIA, and BOS. No way the league allow it's bell-cow franchises to be hamstrung overnight.

[Iman2907]

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As much as I want to believe that, I'd put my money on the NBA starting training camp on time this year than Stern not being NBA commissioner.

What makes you say that? I see you have alot of hope which is a very good thing.. but training camp on time? wow!

Im curious though, whats the reason?

[Altimus]

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I'm telling you right now:

Gilbert will get the votes from all the owners, or atleast a majority. All the small market teams will rally around Gilbert. Plus, Gilbert and Cuban are good friends.

Gilbert will not rest until there is a salary cap.

BTW, I think Billy Hunter getting the boot is a good thing. The players could accept a hard cap, and no union chief will be the one that folded on the hard cap.

I also think Stern's time is quickly fading. He's lost all his supporters among the owners. I don't think it's crazy to assume we get a new NBA commissioner by the end of the lockout either.

That's ludicrous. So ludicrous I don't expect you to be posting here in the near future. Expect Stern's goon squad at your door by tomorrow for posting such crazy theories.

But I do agree on the Billy Hunter thing. I don't think overthrowing the Union at this point is a good thing but Hunter needs to get the boot sooner than later.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I wonder what was Gilbert's thoughts on a Hard Cap before July 8, 2010?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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No cap is a horrible idea. I turns the NBA into the English Premier league in Soccer where only 4-6 teams are able to be contenders each year.

Honestly, I'd rather it be that way as opposed to forcing people to "believe" that every team has an equal chance at winning a title every year when most of us already knows that isn't the case.

[aholbert32]

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Honestly, I'd rather it be that way as opposed to forcing people to "believe" that every team has an equal chance at winning a title every year when most of us already knows that isn't the case.

I'm sorry but thats ridiculous. If your team drafts and has a decent GM well you have a pretty good chance of being a contender. San Antonio is example #1 of that. So is OKC. So is Portland. So is Memphis.

What you are arguing for is the destruction of small market basketball. A league where only NY, LA, Chicago and Miami are able to win championships. No one wants that.

[Kashanova]

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I wonder what was Gilbert's thoughts on a Hard Cap before July 8, 2010?

well if there was a hard cap at the time could they have kept lebron anyway?