Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

**LionsFanNJ** · 12-14-2011, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by AnnihilusLivius

Ken Berger: Nets and free-agent Kris Humphries' rep have just started talking, source says. NJ intent on preserving '12 cap space

@twitter

He'll get overpaid too.
Whatever happens happens.

**Playmakers** · 12-14-2011, 05:46 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan

Might as well trade Deron to the Mavs right now.

Y'know since there's no time to still try to improve the team between now and April and Deron has already stated he doesn't want to be a Net next year and that they have no chance to keep him, right?

well he didn't gurantee he was leaving....i read somewhere we he stated there's a 90% chance he stays in New Jersey.

But that could all be a smoke screen so that he doesn't have to answer the same questions over and over again

He'll probably bolt in the Summer....i know people don't believe it but i do recall seeing a qoute from Williams when he was in the Mavs locker room after one their playoff games last year that he specifically stated he'd love to return home to play ball in Dallas.

**Dice** · 12-14-2011, 06:18 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Looks like Rip to the Bulls is inevitable.

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**ProfessaPackMan** · 12-14-2011, 06:32 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Originally posted by Playmakers

well he didn't gurantee he was leaving....i read somewhere we he stated there's a 90% chance he stays in New Jersey.

But that could all be a smoke screen so that he doesn't have to answer the same questions over and over again

He'll probably bolt in the Summer....i know people don't believe it but i do recall seeing a qoute from Williams when he was in the Mavs locker room after one their playoff games last year that he specifically stated he'd love to return home to play ball in Dallas.

You pick and choose what you want to read.

Fine by me but I do know what facts are out there...and what you're saying is not a fact. Just something you WANT to see and/or believe.

What I DO know(and this is coming from HIS mouth)we win, he stays. That simple.

**JaySmooov** · 12-14-2011, 06:34 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Originally posted by JohnDoe8865

^^ I disagree.

The Magic are dumb IMO for not taking that deal and if I'm the Nets I wouldn't offer that again at the trade deadline when Dwight flip-flops again and wants out.

It's like the Mike Ditka/Ricky Williams trade in the NFL where the Saints gave away an entire draft for one player. The Magic could have had 3 1st round picks in this years draft, then at least two for 2013, 2015, and 2017... Wow.

You have to consider, all those picks, or at least a couple of them, would have been lottery protected, or it would've taken forever to capitalize on.

For example, the Clippers got their MIN 1st round pick way back in 2005...in a trade that involved Marko Jaric.

But they may have never even seen some of those picks immediately unless they were unprotected. Then you're probably looking at late round guys with minimal potential. Yeah, you might hit on 1 guy like a Manu Ginobili or Monta Ellis, but otherwise that would not have not too smart.

**JaySmooov** · 12-14-2011, 06:35 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan

You pick and choose what you want to read.

Fine by me but I do know what facts are out there...and what you're saying is not a fact. Just something you WANT to see and/or believe.

What I DO know(and this is coming from HIS mouth)we win, he stays. That simple.

It's my understanding that he said he's opting out of his contract because he can get more money that way versus signing an extension. He never said he was leaving or coming back for sure.

**ProfessaPackMan** · 12-14-2011, 06:36 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

The HOU pick was the only one lottery protected but every other pick wasn't.

It's my understanding that he said he's opting out of his contract because he can get more money that way versus signing an extension. He never said he was leaving or coming back for sure.

I know this(I've literally got every quote from him saved for instances like this lol).

Again, we win, he stays. We lose like we did last year and don't bring anybody in, he leaves.

That simple.

**JohnDoe8865** · 12-14-2011, 06:38 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

What was your reaction to David Stern vetoing the Chris Paul trade to the Los Angeles Lakers/ Michael Jordan: If you’re a small market, you’re happy. Obviously I understand where the player is coming from -- the habit of late has been to dictate where he goes. But as a small-market owner, I want to protect my market. (Jordan said he wished the NBA had done away with the rule allowing extend-and-trade transactions. That because the backdrop for Carmelo Anthony forcing his way from Denver to New York.)

Charlotte Observer

edit:

How soon can this be a competitive team? Michael Jordan: I want it to be today, but there are certain things you have to take into consideration, like (salary) cap space. Does that mean we have to get into a high draft pick this year (by losing a lot)? I don’t know -- I’m afraid to admit to that. In some ways we’ll have to build through the draft but we should also go into free-agency. Can I put a timetable to that? It’s hard to say. Charlotte Observer

**ProfessaPackMan** · 12-14-2011, 06:46 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Woj also added details on the Nets offer. New Jersey would have sent Brook Lopez, Gerald Wallace, Jordan Farmar and a first-round draft pick to Orlando. The Nets also would have taken on Chris Duhon and Hedo Turkoglu. The Blazers would have received four draft picks for Wallace. Sam Amick said that Johan Petro was also headed for Orlando.

If this is the framework of the deal, I have hard time believing that it's dead and over just like that because you don't make that much progress and have all of this go out publically and not have it get done.

It's just like CP3 mess and it's just like the Melo mess from last year.

**bigeastbumrush** · 12-14-2011, 06:51 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Source confirms NY Daily News report that @JCrossover has ruled out the Knicks. Blazers, Kings finalists.

Jamal wants the money. Cool.

Go ahead Knicks and sign Shawne Williams so we can get our roster set.

**JaySmooov** · 12-14-2011, 06:54 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan

If this is the framework of the deal, I have hard time believing that it's dead and over just like that because you don't make that much progress and have all of this go out publically and not have it get done.

It's just like CP3 mess and it's just like the Melo mess from last year.

So I put the deal in the ESPN trade machine (obviously minus the pathetic one 1st round draft pick Orlando would've gotten

). I also put Travis Outlaw to the Trail Blazers so the trade would be successful since there are no picks. Anyway, here's the change in expected wins:

Magic projected wins: -16
Nets projected wins: +16

This would be a horrible trade for the Magic.

**bigeastbumrush** · 12-14-2011, 06:55 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan

The Blazers would have received four draft picks for Wallace.

Knowing Portland and their history of drafting...those would've been 4 busts.

Looking at that proposal...Orlando only would get Gerald Wallace and cap relief.

I can see why they balked.

**ex carrabba fan** · 12-14-2011, 06:55 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

It would have been fun to see Crawford back at the Garden.

**CMH** · 12-14-2011, 06:59 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Originally posted by bigeastbumrush

Jamal wants the money. Cool.

Go ahead Knicks and sign Shawne Williams so we can get our roster set.

That's too bad, but I don't blame him. I can't name anyone that would take 50% less of anything.

**ProfessaPackMan** · 12-14-2011, 06:59 PM

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Who said that deal was good? Not me.

I just don't buy for one second that it's dead. Remember, CP3 to the Lakers was "dead" too and what just happened yesterday?

Melo to the Knicks was "dead" at some point last year and what happened?

Point is you don't make all this progress and then just say it's dead just like that, especially when your star player has supposedly told them that they'll lose him for nothing.

I also put Travis Outlaw to the Trail Blazers so the trade would be successful since there are no picks. Anyway, here's the change in expected wins:

You do know that OutLOL would not be traded and would've gotten cut right?

Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

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