Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[DiceMan]

Re: Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

Amare's not supposed to be playing Center. He's a bad rebounder even at PF.

Do I think the Knicks can get it done with him at the 4, Melo at 3 and around $20M in cap space next year? Hell yeah.

I'm sick of the CP3/trade rumors.

I'd like to see the Knicks develop Shumpert at PG and see what he's made of. If a quality big man is there, pay him next year.

But I'm not expecting much this year.



I think with the players we have...2 of the best in the league...in a shortened season you should compete for the 8th seed in the East at worst.

My expectations for the Knicks start 7/1/12.

Agreed, while I wouldn't turn CP3 down I'd much rather see the Knicks go with Stat & Melo and flesh out the roster with better depth.

[LionsFanNJ]

Honestly if Bynum was doing everything you said, and remaining healthy, the Lakers would have no need to bring Dwight in.

His health issues is also what I would see holding this possible deal back. That and I think the Magic would pine for a Bynum/Pau combo in the trade if they're considering it.

[a_maz_ing]

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Dang I wasn't gone that long and yall just blew up.
I just wanted to make some comments on yall argument:
-It is insulting to call Bynum the softest knees in the league as long as Greg Oden who has only played 25% of his games is active. Then there is Joel Pryzbillia who has not played much at all the last few years. Bynum's 67% games played blows them both out the water...

-Odom is not trash, he put up quality stats when he has had to sub in. No one can guarantee he would maintain it over a season but you could do a lot worse at PF.

-I agree with Drewski, gutting the Bulls who are literally a piece or 2 away from winning (and imo swapping Boozer wouldn't hurt either) for Howard wouldn't be worth it. Maybe just Boozer/Noah, but not Deng too. I personally think Deng is a solid SF who can shoot and defend.

-Melo is not a fake miss player. Dude is top 15 player, arguably top 10. If he ever commits to playing D he would be a lock for top 5-8. He is too good of a scorer and rebounder for that insult.

[ehh]

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I see the NBA forum is back in full swing already.

Curse having to work so much, I'm pissed I can't hop into the action right now. :

[a_maz_ing]

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Agreed, while I wouldn't turn CP3 down I'd much rather see the Knicks go with Stat & Melo and flesh out the roster with better depth.

I just wanted to tell you that your avatar is awesome, having the 3 best Shooting guards in the league.

[Drewski]

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Honestly if Bynum was doing everything you said, and remaining healthy, the Lakers would have no need to bring Dwight in.

His health issues is also what I would see holding this possible deal back. That and I think the Magic would pine for a Bynum/Pau combo in the trade if they're considering it.

Even if Bynum was healthy you trade for Dwight. Bynum isn't just a throw away, but Howard is superior to Bynum and that's never been the question or in question.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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-It is insulting to call Bynum the softest knees in the league as long as Greg Oden who has only played 25% of his games is active. Then there is Joel Pryzbillia who has not played much at all the last few years. Bynum's 67% games played blows them both out the water...

Ok, so his knees are the 3rd softest pair of knees in the League.

Either way, it's not good for him to be 24 and already having knee issues and if it's this bad NOW, oh just wait til he gets older.

[King_B_Mack]

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Dang I wasn't gone that long and yall just blew up.
I just wanted to make some comments on yall argument:
-It is insulting to call Bynum the softest knees in the league as long as Greg Oden who has only played 25% of his games is active. Then there is Joel Pryzbillia who has not played much at all the last few years. Bynum's 67% games played blows them both out the water...

Fair point, I wasn't thinking about Oden at the time of saying it. However it's not insulting cause dude's knees are trash.

Bynum's games played in 6 years of service

46
82
35
50
65
54

He may not be the softest knees in the league exactly, but if this were MVP voting, he'd finish in the top five.

-Odom is not trash, he put up quality stats when he has had to sub in. No one can guarantee he would maintain it over a season but you could do a lot worse at PF.

Not saying Odom is trash. Just saying don't try to sell me that Lamar Odom is gonna ball and have your team in the playoffs in the East and contending for championships better than Boozer, Noah and Deng. If we're taking the trios of Boozer/Noah/Deng and Odom/Bynum/Artest and offering them up for your squad for the future, I'm rolling Booze and company all day everyday Bulls fan or not.

-I agree with Drewski, gutting the Bulls who are literally a piece or 2 away from winning (and imo swapping Boozer wouldn't hurt either) for Howard wouldn't be worth it. Maybe just Boozer/Noah, but not Deng too. I personally think Deng is a solid SF who can shoot and defend.

To get Dwight Howard, yes it is worth it as long as you can get a guy that can defend on the perimeter. The Bulls can make that trade, get Dwight and sign Caron Butler and I'll definitely ride with that trio and still have Asik backing up Howard, Taj starting at the four and possibly Big Sexy on the bench if you need him....Child Please, sign me up for that immediately.

-Melo is not a fake miss player. Dude is top 15 player, arguably top 10. If he ever commits to playing D he would be a lock for top 5-8. He is too good of a scorer and rebounder for that insult.

Yeah, Melo is a fake can't miss player. If you're one piece away like the Bulls are right now, you don't gut it to get a Carmelo Anthony. I'm sorry, nobody is ever going to convince me differently of this, ask Dice. You can find a volume scorer anywhere. But a truly dominant big like Dwight? A freak of nature like that who's still a baby (in NBA terms) you push your moms down a flight of stairs if need be to sign that contract.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Wish OKC had the balls to do something for Dwight. Because Dwight and Durant and either Westbrook or Harden remaining and it'd be done for everyone.

I'd also "like" to see the Clippers get Blake and Dwight. Ooof. Dirty.

It may be as much about Dwight's willingness to play in OKC long term. It's obviously a no brainer with KD there, but who knows.

I would definitely trade anyone but KD to get Howard, and the team would be better for it.

[Drewski]

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Bynum's games played in 6 years of service

Fair enough on the games Bynum has played. Just for fun, in comparison to how many games Brook Lopez and Bynum played lets consider just the last 3 years, while Brook has been in the league.

All games, including playoffs, Brook has played 246 games.

Bynum?

225. 21 game difference.

I'd be great with having Bynum for 225 games over Brook for 246 games over the last 3 years.

Take it for what it's worth, but we talk about games played in the playoffs at the end of guys careers (hear it all the time about Kobe/Duncan)

[Weeks]

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I hear Jamal Crawford will come to the bulls in a sign and trade

[a_maz_ing]

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Fair point, I wasn't thinking about Oden at the time of saying it. However it's not insulting cause dude's knees are trash.

Bynum's games played in 6 years of service

46
82
35
50
65
54

He may not be the softest knees in the league exactly, but if this were MVP voting, he'd finish in the top five.

True but you could do a lot worse with unhealthy big men was all I was saying.

Not saying Odom is trash. Just saying don't try to sell me that Lamar Odom is gonna ball and have your team in the playoffs in the East and contending for championships better than Boozer, Noah and Deng. If we're taking the trios of Boozer/Noah/Deng and Odom/Bynum/Artest and offering them up for your squad for the future, I'm rolling Booze and company all day everyday Bulls fan or not.

I actually agree with you, I like the Bulls trio better in a vacuum in terms of talent, durability and age.
But I think in a hypothetical situation if they wanted to assume Bynum would stay healthy, or at least healthy enough, then it would be a tie assuming Artest doesn't regress quickly.

To get Dwight Howard, yes it is worth it as long as you can get a guy that can defend on the perimeter. The Bulls can make that trade, get Dwight and sign Caron Butler and I'll definitely ride with that trio and still have Asik backing up Howard, Taj starting at the four and possibly Big Sexy on the bench if you need him....Child Please, sign me up for that immediately.

Who would that be? Any ideas?
And if you say so but me personally unless I'm assured the Bulls get back a quality wing defender (not to mention yall still need a shooter) I wouldn't do it. But I guess it is a matter of opinion.

Yeah, Melo is a fake can't miss player. If you're one piece away like the Bulls are right now, you don't gut it to get a Carmelo Anthony. I'm sorry, nobody is ever going to convince me differently of this, ask Dice. You can find a volume scorer anywhere. But a truly dominant big like Dwight? A freak of nature like that who's still a baby (in NBA terms) you push your moms down a flight of stairs if need be to sign that contract.

I never said I'd gut a team for a Melo. I think the Knicks gave up too much for him. I just said I don't consider him a fake can't miss player and he is not just some typical volume scorer but clearly you are fixed on this so it is not worth debate.

[a_maz_ing]

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It may be as much about Dwight's willingness to play in OKC long term. It's obviously a no brainer with KD there, but who knows.

I would definitely trade anyone but KD to get Howard, and the team would be better for it.

Yep, from what I hear neither Dwight or Chris wana go there due to the market size. Such a shame, I'd love a CP3 for Westbrook swap. Looks like the only way the Thunder could get a great talent to come is trading Westbrook and then winning.

[TheMatrix31]

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Which is dumb, considering the team dominates Oklahoma City. They have the entire market share and it's a college atmosphere every night. Could you imagine with both those guys on the team? It would be nuts.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Fair enough on the games Bynum has played. Just for fun, in comparison to how many games Brook Lopez and Bynum played lets consider just the last 3 years, while Brook has been in the league.

All games, including playoffs, Brook has played 246 games.

Bynum?

225. 21 game difference.

I'd be great with having Bynum for 225 games over Brook for 246 games over the last 3 years.

Take it for what it's worth, but we talk about games played in the playoffs at the end of guys careers (hear it all the time about Kobe/Duncan)

Well, when you have one of the, if not the best player in the League on your team then I can see how you'd be fine with Bynum and his 225 games in what, 4-5 seasons?