Official POST-LOCKOUT Player Movement Thread (Trades, FAs, etc)

[Kashanova]

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Clippers are going to trade Kaman and another piece to Get Iggy or another SG/SF. Then they will sign Deandre to a cheap deal. There's no way that the Clippers let him go now.

It would be a great look for NY if that happened though. They're probably going to pick someone for the real cheap like Kwame Brown or another defensive minded player for the veteran minimum. Those guys are waiting for CP3.

I read that the clippers would look at chandler first before they sign jordan

[ex carrabba fan]

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I'd like to see the knicks grab deandre jordan if they can sign him for cheap

You're dreamin if you think Jordan is gonna sign anywhere for cheap.

Centers are vastly overpaid, and Jordan is a young center at that.

He's gonna get a terrible contract.

[rockchisler]

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Just curious what is really stopping J.R. Smith from just leaving China and coming back state side? Can China sue him? If they do does it matter? They are there he would be back here..http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...From_Contracts

[ex carrabba fan]

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I'm pretty sure they'd get sued and/or their contracts with the Chinese teams would be voided.

I'm not sure how much they've already received from clubs, but if they were to break their contracts, I'm assuming they'd get sued and would have to pay the money back.

So I'm thinking bottom line: they leave China and basically say my services to the Chinese teams were a donation, or stay in China to make sure I get paid for what I've already contributed to their season.

With the way the amnesty deal is set up, I'm still a bit confused. So after a player is amnesty waived, any team under the cap can bid on them. What if the player doesn't want to go to that team? How will the new contract be structured, like years for instance? Or do they just pay them the rest of the years on their previous contract with their previous team?

It's gonna be odd when a veteran player is amnesty waived, and then a non playoff contending team decided to sign him. I'm pretty sure the player is not gonna want to be there at all. Can he be traded immediately after or cut?

[tehova]

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Just curious what is really stopping J.R. Smith from just leaving China and coming back state side? Can China sue him? If they do does it matter? They are there he would be back here..http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...From_Contracts

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[ex carrabba fan]

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Clippers are going to trade Kaman and another piece to Get Iggy or another SG/SF. Then they will sign Deandre to a cheap deal. There's no way that the Clippers let him go now.

You gotta explain to me how you think Jordan is gonna stay with the Clippers under a cheap deal. That boggles my mind.

What on Earth makes anyone think that Jordan has any loyalty like that towards the Clippers of all teams? He's a young center who displayed flashes. That's the exact equation for a team to give him several more millions than he deserves.

If he stays with the Clippers, he's gonna get a fat contract. Anywhere he goes, he's going to be overpaid. To suggest a young free agent center would stay with the freaking Clippers for cheap... that's just cray.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Looks like Marc Gasol aint goin anywhere

Marc Gasol is a restricted free agent this offseason and is one of its most coveted commodities.

But people with knowledge of owner Michael Heisley's thinking believe the Grizzlies will match any offer sheet Gasol signs with another team.

Memphis would have three days to match under the proposed collective bargaining agreement.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...#ixzz1f1vzUHxu

[tehova]

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[quote=ex carrabba fan;2043121559]I'm pretty sure they'd get sued and/or their contracts with the Chinese teams would be voided.

I'm not sure how much they've already received from clubs, but if they were to break their contracts, I'm assuming they'd get sued and would have to pay the money back.

So I'm thinking bottom line: they leave China and basically say my services to the Chinese teams were a donation, or stay in China to make sure I get paid for what I've already contributed to their season.

With the way the amnesty deal is set up, I'm still a bit confused. So after a player is amnesty waived, any team under the cap can bid on them. What if the player doesn't want to go to that team? How will the new contract be structured, like years for instance? Or do they just pay them the rest of the years on their previous contract with their previous team?

It's gonna be odd when a veteran player is amnesty waived, and then a non playoff contending team decided to sign him. I'm pretty sure the player is not gonna want to be there at all. Can he be traded immediately after or cut?[/quote]


Given that they are intentionally trying to curtail players from going to the "same ole teams", wouldnt make sense to be able to trade or cut a player. And in my opinion would only make sense if you had to keep the player for the length of the original deal

[DoubleJ13]

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Pretty sure if a player gets cut with the amnesty clause, he just becomes a free agent & can sign anywhere he pleases.

Why would you think he doesn't want to play for the Clippers? Has he said that anywhere? Plus he is a restricted free agent so they can match anything.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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he hot topic right now in the NBA is the amnesty provision of the new collective bargaining agreement.
The next thing to take a closer look at is the stretch exception, which is a mechanism that is designed to give relief to teams that make mistakes once the new collective bargaining agreement goes into effect. (The stretch exception does NOT apply to contracts signed under the old CBA).
Here is the exact wording regarding the stretch exception from the memo that was sent to teams by the league office. Sam Amick of SI.com obtained a copy and posted it online.
“For new contracts, salary of waived players to be “stretched” for cash purposes such that the player’s remaining protected compensation would be paid over twice the number of remaining contract years plus 1 year.
“In lieu of the usual cap treatment, the waiving tam may elect to have the waived player’s salary follow the stretched cash allocation, except that stretching a waived player’s salary for cap purposes is not permitted where the portion of total team salary attributable to all waived players in any future season would exceed an agreed upon percentage of the salary cap in effect during the season in which a player is waived.”
That second paragraph basically means there will be limits to prevent teams from abusing the stretch exception.
But as a practical matter, what I see happening is teams overpaying for marginal players, knowing that they can dump a guy owed $10 million in the final year of his contract if it is only going to count as $3.33 million against the cap in the ensuing three years.
For example, let’s say there are two teams bidding for the services of Kris Humphries, who is a free agent in more ways than one.
Team A is willing to give Humphries a three-year contract starting at $8 million. With 4.5 percent annual raises, Hump would have an offer of $25.08 million sitting on the table.

But Team B really needs someone to do the dirty work under the boards. So they make Humphries the same offer but with a fourth year added on, fully guaranteed at $9.08 million. Now, Hump is looking at a $34.16 million deal.
Which one do you think he’s going to take?
Team B’s, of course.
Then, after three years, if Humphries is a $9 million burden on Team B’s 2014-15 cap, they can waive him using the stretch exception, and he will count against the cap for only $3 million per season over the next three seasons.
It should make for some funny money flying around on Dec. 9 when free agency and training camps open simultaneously.

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[ex carrabba fan]

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Pretty sure if a player gets cut with the amnesty clause, he just becomes a free agent & can sign anywhere he pleases.

Why would you think he doesn't want to play for the Clippers? Has he said that anywhere? Plus he is a restricted free agent so they can match anything.

1. No, just look up the clause. There is a waiver system for Amnesty cut players. Only teams under the cap can bid on them, and teams over the cap can only sign them if no other teams have placed a bid.

2. I never said Jordan doesn't want to play for the Clippers. I asked why on Earth would he take a cheap deal to sign with a ****ty organization like them, when he could get a massive contract somewhere else.

I wasn't aware that he was restricted, but that makes no difference. He's going to get a bloated offer sheet, so either way the Clippers will match or not match and Jordan is going to get paid a lot of money.

[tehova]

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Pretty sure if a player gets cut with the amnesty clause, he just becomes a free agent & can sign anywhere he pleases.

Why would you think he doesn't want to play for the Clippers? Has he said that anywhere? Plus he is a restricted free agent so they can match anything.

The rules have changed in the amnesty clause, once amnesty cut you are available to bid on by any of the teams under the salary cap, they bid an amount they would pay of your contract, you go to the team with the highest bid. The rest of the contract is paid from your previous team.


And he wasnt saying that Jordan didnt want to play for the clippers...he just wouldnt be playing for ANYBODY for cheap given his skillset as a big man


edit:: yea what he said

[bigeastbumrush]

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I'd like to see the knicks grab deandre jordan if they can sign him for cheap

As much as I'd like him, the Knicks are only doing one-year deals. So he's a no-go. Same with Gasol. So we can only dream.

Clippers are going to trade Kaman and another piece to Get Iggy or another SG/SF. Then they will sign Deandre to a cheap deal. There's no way that the Clippers let him go now.

It would be a great look for NY if that happened though. They're probably going to pick someone for the real cheap like Kwame Brown or another defensive minded player for the veteran minimum. Those guys are waiting for CP3.

This seems more likely. Kwame Brown or Kurt Thomas (if Chicago lets him walk) are probably the Knicks targets with Jerome Jordan coming back from overseas and Jorts being backup Centers.

If the Knicks brass did anything other than the above, I'd fall off my chair.

[Drewski]

Pretty sure if a player gets cut with the amnesty clause, he just becomes a free agent & can sign anywhere he pleases.

Why would you think he doesn't want to play for the Clippers? Has he said that anywhere? Plus he is a restricted free agent so they can match anything.

If cut by amnesty there are still waivers to clear before becoming a free agent.

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[l3ulvl]

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Whatever happened to the minor grumblings about Stuckey to the Lakers? Was that just some writers idea floating around or was there actual discussion? If it was real, I wonder if it would be rekindled.