Who will be the rookie of the year?

[jeebs9]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

I'm loving both guys. But Kyrie has been playing really well. His jumper from 3 point land has been on of late. Making him even more dangerous. One of the best plays I've seen him make was vs the Suns after scoring so many points at the end of the game. The biggest play he made was a pass to a cutting Vajero for a and1. Those are the kind of trust plays I love to see from superstars down the line.

[RedSceptile]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

Kyrie's PER is the highest since Tim Duncan.

Yet still, some are voting for Rubio...SMH...

Marshon Brooks has a higher PER if that's your argument o_0

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

Marshon Brooks has a higher PER if that's your argument o_0

No, he doesn't.

And proven with links:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6428/marshon-brooks

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6442/kyrie-irving

[RedSceptile]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

No, he doesn't.

And proven with links:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6428/marshon-brooks

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6442/kyrie-irving

Unless hoopdata uses a different formula...

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

Unless hoopdata uses a different formula...

Hoopdata has Brooks only playing in 6 games...so, who knows?

Even if they didn't, I'm going to trust John Hollinger, who created the stat, over Hoopdata.

[RedSceptile]

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Wait now I see the statistical fallacy past 6 games haven't been compounded yet on hoopdata (self facepalm). Reading comprehension fail.

[OSUFan_88]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

Wait now I see the statistical fallacy past 6 games haven't been compounded yet on hoopdata (self facepalm). Reading comprehension fail.

Actually, I think they have, but only for like...half the league.

Weird.

[RedSceptile]

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Actually, I think they have, but only for like...half the league.

Weird.

I really should renew my Synergy...ohhhhh well.

I think Irving will win if he keeps up this play but I can almost guarantee if the Timberwolves make the playoffs the Rubio love jones would be off the freaking charts.

[jeebs9]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

^^ You think so? ^^
Even though Kyrie is clearly putting up some amazing numbers and W's right now.

Was so happy to see they finally put Rubio in the starting line up.
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[RedSceptile]

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Yeah I can almost guarantee it. Every analyst already is to put it PG sitting on Rubio's lap albeit he's playing great. We know the NBA is all about faux storylines so if you have Rubio this totally likable kid with his on court flair bringing the Timberwolves back to relevance you've got the prefect ingredients to spin a media tale.

[PrettyT11]

Re: Who will be the rookie of the year?

Kyrie's PER is the highest since Tim Duncan.

Yet still, some are voting for Rubio...SMH...

Jimmy Butler is crushing both of them with a PER of 44.4:wink:

But seriously Kyrie has done better so far than i thought he would. Right now he would be number one in the race with Rubio second. Both have played very good ball.

[HMcCoy]

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Who knows if Kyrie hits the rookie wall hard, especially with the condensed schedule. It's certainly his to lose right now but given the schedule this year and the fact that he played in only like a dozen games at Dook last year might lead to some trouble for him by Feb.

I haven't had the chance to see any of Kyrie yet so far in the pros unfortunately - but then again it's probably a good thing that I haven't been bored enough in the last month to watch a friggen Cavs game.

And thats why Rubio has a shot. Everybody still sleep, lol. Kyrie strikes me as an "And 1" baby who also worked on the fundamentals. The handle and change of speed is bananas.

When I watch Irving, I can only wonder...OK so there's no way we could be lucky enough to go from Bron to what Irving is looking like at 19. Just under 18 a game at over 47% for a youngster with milk on his breath is disgusting, but the numbers don't tell the story. Lil dude gets to the bucket and draws contact at will, and he's getting no calls. 2 years from now, he's going to live at the line. The J is already pure, and he's an aggressive defender (too aggressive as he gets blown by all the time lol).

So far, I don't see the CP comparisons, I see AI with a better head on his shoulders. He's already projected at around 28 PPG over 36 minutes a game, and thats as a fresh face NBA newborn.

This is CLE tho...still trying to imagine just what surreal, dissapointing circumstances will flush the Irving era down the crapper.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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And thats why Rubio has a shot. Everybody still sleep, lol. Kyrie strikes me as an "And 1" baby who also worked on the fundamentals. The handle and change of speed is bananas.

When I watch Irving, I can only wonder...OK so there's no way we could be lucky enough to go from Bron to what Irving is looking like at 19. Just under 18 a game at over 47% for a youngster with milk on his breath is disgusting, but the numbers don't tell the story. Lil dude gets to the bucket and draws contact at will, and he's getting no calls. 2 years from now, he's going to live at the line. The J is already pure, and he's an aggressive defender (too aggressive as he gets blown by all the time lol).

So far, I don't see the CP comparisons, I see AI with a better head on his shoulders. He's already projected at around 28 PPG over 36 minutes a game, and thats as a fresh face NBA newborn.

This is CLE tho...still trying to imagine just what surreal, dissapointing circumstances will flush the Irving era down the crapper.

According to basketball-reference, he's actually projected at about 22.5 PPG over 36 minutes, but yeah, certainly seems like he's been playing well. I haven't gotten to see much of him though, and Rubio certainly looks like the real deal as well.

Per 36 minutes, Irving is projected at 22.5 PPG, 6.7 APG, 4.5 RPG, 1.1 SPG, 4.4 Turnovers Per, and doing all of this while shooting the ball 17.5 times per game. Pretty good.

Rubio is projected at 12.1 PPG, 9.4 APG, 5.2 RPG, 2.6 SPG, 3.7 turnovers per, and doing it while shooting the ball 9.7 times per game. Rubio actually turns it over at a higher rate than Irving, but the difference is that Irving's usage is close to being twice as high as Rubio's.

[jeebs9]

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^^ Nice work! ^^

[RedSceptile]

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I prefer per 40 for the most part but yeah. Irving has really good body control like someone said he's like a mixture of Allen Iverson and Chris Paul (in terms of efficiency). He's got a really good game.

Rubio is more or less an homage to the traditional Point Guards. He's not someone who looks for his own number think Rondo for a current comparison. He's a good floor leader and even though we concentrate on his flashy plays, his simple plays should get the most praise.

Both of them have high basketball I.Q.s especially when you consider the position they play.

Lastly is my sleeper the Swag Mamba. He's probably the best scorer in this draft. He plays for a horrible team but even as a Rookie he's one of the Nets best (probably 2 or 3) player. His court vision is lacking but he's a smart fundamentally sound player.

What I see for averages in the future: [PTS, REB, AST, STLS BLK]

Irving: 22/5/10/1.5/0.8
Rubio: 16/5/12/2.5/.4
Brooks: 26/6/3/1/.5

Obviously these are just hypotheticals and their ceilings could be higher or lower or they can achieve numbers in this neighborhood but from this sample size that's what I can see.

Irving needs an athletic perimeter wing that can score effectively to play with to maximize his potential.

Rubio needs to be more efficiently scoring.

Swag Mamba just needs more touches as well as improving his defense and passing.

Irving and Rubio have the highest ceilings. Not sure what to gage MarSwag on he can either become a Poor Man's Nick Young/Jordan Crawford, or a Poor Man's Kobe (the older version with less athleticism) but then again a Poor Man's Old Kobe ain't that bad. I'm just still trying to see where his ceiling is part of me thinks he might have hit it already and just needs more touches considering he doesn't have elite athleticism, while another part thinks he's still got somethings he can learn.

Just ramblings of a mad man.