2012 NBA Draft Discussion

[phenom1990]

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If Rivers falls out of the lottery it's an automatic steal IMO

But I think realistically he's worth a borderline 10 pick through 14

I think he is ideally a 6th man. I don't know where that would be in this draft.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I too think he'd be a nice fit as a spark guy off the bench, sort of like OJ Mayo.

I don't see why top half of the draft wouldn't be a good fit for Rivers.. I would for sure take him if I was in the middle and he was still there compared to other projected players

Also if Tony Wroten falls to the second round I'm taking him first chance

I would take him in the 20's for sure if he's there. I see him as an Eric Bledsoe type guy.

[ehh]

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Wroten was kinda disappointing for me this year just because he was so hyped as a true point guard. His vision/passing/IQ was hyped up but yeah, he's pretty much the typical modern day PG prospect in those areas - a lot of room for improvement.

He's just an odd player to me, he's athletic but he doesn't really play like it a lot of the time. He rarely elevated on jumpers or on layups when penetrating really. He's kinda herky jerky, he reminds me of Jalen Rose in some ways but smaller obviously.

You can do worse in the late first round or second round but if I had to guess I don't think he'll amount to much in the NBA.

[Chrisksaint]

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I've always been high on Rivers since i've seen him play in HS, think he's the best pure scorer in the draft and he's still very young. Think he can play a scoring PG or a 6th man role like mentioned.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Wroten definitely underwhelmed me as well.. along the lines of Peyton Siva. I don't know what happened to him really but I still think his athleticism and knack for getting to the rim and speed in transition can be turned into a good spark player at the next level

I definitely am not holding my breath for him to become a starter.. but a nice change of pace off guard who can play either guard position..

I haven't given up hope yet however I am from the westcoast so there you go..

[bigeastbumrush]

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Nobody thought Kawhi Leonard would improve his jump shot as much as he did. Would you not take Shawn Marion on your team because of his form? Also I think Artest didn't shoot the 3 ball well in college. So I think MKG would be a solid pick for anybody. He probably isn't a franchise guy but that doesn't mean he can't be a good player.

This is an excellent point.

The only difference is that none of those guys were looked at as Top 5 talent.

Excellent point nonetheless.

[phenom1990]

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This is an excellent point.

The only difference is that none of those guys were looked at as Top 5 talent.

Excellent point nonetheless.

If you got a Marion or Artest type, a guy who is good enough to start for a team for about a decade in the top 5 is that good enough? I'm always interested to hear what other people think is good value for a pick.

I think the bottom of the lottery is probably good value for Austin Rivers. I'm not in love with Rivers because I think he is too selfish and the offense needs to be ran through him too much for him to be effective. When I saw him play against Temple this year, I was a little underwhelmed by him. Like I said I think he is ideally a 6th man and if I'm in the top 10 and he is the best play left in the draft, I probably would look to trade the pick.

[bigeastbumrush]

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If you got a Marion or Artest type, a guy who is good enough to start for a team for about a decade in the top 5 is that good enough? I'm always interested to hear what other people think is good value for a pick.

I think the bottom of the lottery is probably good value for Austin Rivers. I'm not in love with Rivers because I think he is too selfish and the offense needs to be ran through him too much for him to be effective. When I saw him play against Temple this year, I was a little underwhelmed by him. Like I said I think he is ideally a 6th man and if I'm in the top 10 and he is the best play left in the draft, I probably would look to trade the pick.

Concerning MKG...I think he should go no lower than #4. So I have no problems with him. I think if he didn't have that hitch in his jumper...he'd be a lock at #2.

I want every team to pass on Rivers and hope he falls to Boston just to see what they do. Talk about a pity pick.

I think Phoenix will take him though.

[wwharton]

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I want Robinson but he's got to measure out to 6'9" or have 7' + wingspan to make up for the height.

That's kind of my issue too. And even with Nene, I like him as a rotating 4/5 type... not really a permanent center imo. But I also don't like picking for need in the top 3. If they take Robinson I hope it's bc they think he's the best overall there, not bc they think they need a big.

He'd be Trevor Booker 2.0 on this team in that he's another undersized PF.

Beal or MKG would make more sense for the Wizards than Robinson would.


How can you be a steal if you're a Top 3 projection?

Yeah, that's my worry... damn. I ignored the "steal at #3" part, lol. The other stuff was helpful.

Oh and people, there are TONS of NBA players past and present that didn't have great shots coming into the league. Being able to spend hours a day just working on your jumper can do wonders for it. As much as we get on James for taking too many 3's his shot is 100 times better than his first year.

[Basketball GURU]

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Cavs interested in Barnes at 4? What do yall think, good fit?

The Cavaliers are very high on the 20-year-old small forward and appear unlikely to let him slip past them at the No. 4 slot in the June 28 draft, according to sources

"He's a pretty big deal to them," one such executive said.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/06/06/harrison-barnes-2012-nba-draft-cleveland-cavaliers/index.html

[ex carrabba fan]

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Smokescreens galore, it'd be tough to believe any rumors that come out

[OSUFan_88]

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Barnes at four would be a Marvin Williams like mistake.

OH HEY! OUR GM DRAFTED MARVIN WILLIAMS!

Please resist the urge, Grant.

[justblaze09]

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At least you would assume that it is one...right? Zeller at #10 makes no sense whatsoever.

But then, I continue to underestimate the stupidity of some of these GMs and it only takes 1 out of 30 to be that guy.

PPM, I'm pretty sure Joe D is going to be that GM and reach on either Zeller and Henson.

*sigh* At least I have the Lakers.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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If Rivers falls out of the lottery it's an automatic steal IMO

But I think realistically he's worth a borderline 10 pick through 14

Anywhere after 16-20, I'd be fine with that.

I've just never been impressed with him at all, not to mention this is the same dude who struggled often playing in the ACC and would NEVER go left at all. He'll carve out a nice little niche for him and will have a spot in the league, I just don't think he'll be anything special.

[BlueNGold]

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You would think the Cavs wouldn't be interested in drafting another guy who's so concerned about his "brand".