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  • Yeah...THAT Guy
    Once in a Lifetime Memory
    • Dec 2006
    • 17294

    #1546
    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

    Originally posted by Chrisksaint
    Here's how I see the top 10 playing out:

    1. NO- Anthony Davis
    2. Cleveland- Bradley Beal
    3. WAS- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
    4. CHA- Thomas Robinson
    5. SAC- Harrison Barnes
    6. POR- Damian Lillard
    7. HOU- Andre Drummond
    8. TOR- Dion Waters
    9. DET- John Henson
    10. NO- Austin Rivers

    Have 2 trades in the top 10, after this I have no clue
    In my mock, I predicted Rockets trading up to 5 and Cavs swapping with Bobcats. I think it went like this:

    1. Davis
    2. Beal
    3. Drummond (more just wishful thinking because I think he'd develop better in Washington with Nene and Okafor there to show him the ropes than he would in any of the other top 5 teams)
    4. Barnes
    5. Robinson
    6. Lillard
    7. MKG
    8. Waiters
    9. Leonard
    10. Rivers
    11. Zeller
    12. Henson
    13. Lamb
    14. PJIII
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    • wildcatchild
      MVP
      • Jan 2003
      • 2129

      #1547
      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

      Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
      In my mock, I predicted Rockets trading up to 5 and Cavs swapping with Bobcats. I think it went like this:

      1. Davis
      2. Beal
      3. Drummond (more just wishful thinking because I think he'd develop better in Washington with Nene and Okafor there to show him the ropes than he would in any of the other top 5 teams)
      4. Barnes
      5. Robinson
      6. Lillard
      7. MKG
      8. Waiters
      9. Leonard
      10. Rivers
      11. Zeller
      12. Henson
      13. Lamb
      14. PJIII
      If MKG falls to #7.....absolute steal for Golden State.
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      • Yeah...THAT Guy
        Once in a Lifetime Memory
        • Dec 2006
        • 17294

        #1548
        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

        Originally posted by wildcatchild
        If MKG falls to #7.....absolute steal for Golden State.
        Agreed. Don't think you can really go wrong in the top 7 this year (unless Drummond busts). After those first 7 guys, I think there's a sizeable drop-off.
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        • BleacherBum2310
          All Star
          • Aug 2010
          • 7107

          #1549
          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

          Originally posted by Chrisksaint
          Here's how I see the top 10 playing out:

          1. NO- Anthony Davis
          2. Cleveland- Bradley Beal
          3. WAS- Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
          4. CHA- Thomas Robinson
          5. SAC- Harrison Barnes
          6. POR- Damian Lillard
          7. HOU- Andre Drummond
          8. TOR- Dion Waters
          9. DET- John Henson
          10. NO- Austin Rivers

          Have 2 trades in the top 10, after this I have no clue
          Very similar how I think it will go. Rivers in Top 10? Eh, that's my only ? mark.

          only thing I'm hoping for Tomorrow is, Royce White is drafted by the C's and hoping Perry Jones or Sullinger for that 2nd Pick. Not a fan of Sullinger but Bos needs some Bigs and in this draft he just may be worth the risk.
          Last edited by BleacherBum2310; 06-27-2012, 06:54 PM.
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          • 37
            Fear The Spear
            • Apr 2011
            • 10346

            #1550
            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

            maybe it's just me but as a Rockets fan, i rather endure the growing pains with Drummond and hope he blossoms rather then have the produce-now guy in Robinson....just goin off your guys' mock drafts btw
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            • Yeah...THAT Guy
              Once in a Lifetime Memory
              • Dec 2006
              • 17294

              #1551
              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

              Originally posted by NoFatGirlz4Me37
              maybe it's just me but as a Rockets fan, i rather endure the growing pains with Drummond and hope he blossoms rather then have the produce-now guy in Robinson....just goin off your guys' mock drafts btw
              I think they'd go Drummond > Robinson too, and possibly Lillard if they trade up too, but like I said, don't think you can go wrong with Robinson either.
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              • Chrisksaint
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                • Apr 2010
                • 19127

                #1552
                Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                Originally posted by BleacherBum2310
                Very similar how I think it will go. Rivers in Top 10? Eh, that's my only ? mark.
                I know NO is very high on him especially after Monty said today they want to add creativity on offense this offseason, he could possibly go to Portland or Toronto as well
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                • 37
                  Fear The Spear
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 10346

                  #1553
                  Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                  Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                  I think they'd go Drummond > Robinson too, and possibly Lillard if they trade up too, but like I said, don't think you can go wrong with Robinson either.
                  wonder what we'd have to give up to move up inside the top-5? 12 and 16 wouldn't be enough (unless a team is itching for Lowry) and no chance Drummond (or Robinson) drops that far
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                  • Marino
                    Moderator
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 18113

                    #1554
                    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                    Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                    Supposedly 9 players with medical red flags in this draft.
                    I blame the lockout.

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                    • Yeah...THAT Guy
                      Once in a Lifetime Memory
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 17294

                      #1555
                      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                      Apparently PJIII is one of the guys the Rockets hope to draft with #12, 16, or 18. He just visited with them for his second time.
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                      • 37
                        Fear The Spear
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 10346

                        #1556
                        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                        Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                        Apparently PJIII is one of the guys the Rockets hope to draft with #12, 16, or 18. He just visited with them for his second time.
                        i'd be happy with him as long as his motivation and work ethic aint lacking
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                        • JohnDoe8865
                          Hall of Fame
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 9607

                          #1557
                          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                          May as well go ahead and throw my Mock Draft out there.

                          1st Round

                          1. New Orleans - Anthony Davis
                          2. Cleveland (trade) - Bradley Beal
                          3. Washington - Harrison Barnes
                          4. Charlotte (trade) - Thomas Robinson
                          5. Sacramento - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
                          6. Houston (trade) - Andre Drummond
                          7. Milwaukee (trade) - Terrance Ross
                          8. Golden State (trade) - Perry Jones III
                          9. Detroit - John Henson
                          10. New Orleans - Damian Lillard
                          11. Toronto (trade) - Austin Rivers
                          12. Portland (trade) - Tyler Zeller
                          13. Phoenix - Dion Waiters
                          14. Portland (trade) - Kendall Marshall
                          15. Philadelphia - Meyers Leonard
                          16. Indiana -(trade) - Arnett Moultrie
                          17. Dallas - Moe Harkless
                          18. Boston (trade) - Jeremy Lamb
                          19. Orlando - Royce White
                          20. Denver - Terrance Jones
                          21. Atlanta (trade) - Fabricio Melo
                          22. Boston - Andrew Nicholson
                          23. Los Angeles Lakers (trade) - Marquis Teague
                          24. Charlotte (trade) - Quincy Miller
                          25. Memphis - Even Fournier
                          26. Portland (trade) - Kostas Papanikolaou
                          27. Miami - Festus Ezeli
                          28. Oklahoma City - Jared Sullinger
                          29. Chicago - Doron Lamb
                          30. Toronto (trade) - Khris Middleton

                          Too much time on my hands... I'm expecting a lot of trades obviously..
                          Last edited by JohnDoe8865; 06-27-2012, 07:34 PM.
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                          • ehh
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 28962

                            #1558
                            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                            Originally posted by bigeastbumrush
                            A frontline of Drummond and Monroe reminds me of a frontline of Drummond and Oriakhi.

                            Neither one of them could get going on the floor at the same time. ehh would know better than me though.

                            All I do know is that whoever drafts Drummond will need a ton of patience. He needs to be coached up in the worst way.
                            Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                            Monroe is a WAY better/more versatile big man than Oriakhi though. I think it would work. Monroe is better suited as a PF, and Drummond can provide the defense next to Monroe. That would be a formidable front court in my opinion.
                            Originally posted by justblaze09
                            I feel that Leonard and Monroe won't take away from each other, while Drummond would. Plus, Leonard was the only consistent performer for Illinois last year and still performed for them, and I get the sense from the Big East fans here that that isn't the case with Drummond.

                            Then you have to add in that from what it sounds like, Drummond's perception on what he wants to be isn't what he should be, while Leonard at least knows what he is.
                            My take on all of this...

                            Drummond was just talking with the SF stuff. He's an 18 year old kid, he has no idea what he's talking about. He's so ridiculously young still. He's a center and he knows it.

                            He never played outside at all at UConn, he took a handful of shots outside of 10' and they were all ugly and almost all of them were fadeaways from the post. His shooting and dribbling would be considered F's on a grade scale, his passing maybe a D. His passing was one of the most disappointing parts of his game, it was pretty hyped up coming out of HS. The "combo of Chris Webber and Amare" comparison was so far off. This is a guy that shot 18% from the FT line the last ten games of the year, he isn't ever going to be a stretch 4 or SF.

                            Re: Detroit, I think pairing him with Monroe would be great. Monroe is a finesse, skilled big that can step out. At this point there's a snowball's chance in hell that Drummond will become that. Drummond isn't finesse IMO, I don't like that label - he just has no idea how to use ridiculous strength yet.* And he sure as hell isn't skilled. He'll be a power player in the NBA for sure. That and Detroit loves their UConn guys (Rip, Gentle Ben, Chuck V).

                            I think that pairing could make a really nice high-low pairing and have some nice interior passing that we rarely see in the NBA these days.


                            *That's the one thing that could really make every fan and GM look dumb about Drummond. He doesn't know how to use his body and athletic gifts yet. He doesn't turn 19 until August. He's a baby in age and in basketball experience. He definitely could develop like Bynum as long as he gets the proper coaching. However, how many project big men ever pan out? For every Bynum there are dozens of busts. That one anonymous scout felt that Drummond's ceiling was Deandre Jordan.

                            He's so young and has only spent 7 months around a real basketball program and that was amid a ton of turmoil at UConn. AAU/prep school was a joke, he just got his first taste of real basketball. He'll be very interesting to watch, just looking at his career trajectory he could make his first All-Star team in 2018 and be 24 years old. He's got a ton of time to grow.

                            And...

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #1559
                              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                              Originally posted by DukeC
                              @Pack

                              It has nothing to do with weight Pack, but strength. He's simply not a good post defender and I doubt he ever will be. He's going to get eaten alive by even simple spin moves out of the post. It'd be best to put him against the big with the worst post game. He's going to be playing a lot of Centers, and I don't like that. AT ALL.
                              He'll be fine and if he flames out, it won't be because of his weight or his strength. You're making it sound like he won't be able to get stronger than he is and he'll be the same size his entire career. Players do grow and get stronger over the years, you know lol. Now if you're saying that you don't think he has the will/want/motivation to get stronger, now that's another story.

                              Hell, the samething you're saying was the same stuff folks were saying about JaVale McGee because he had no strength in the post and if he wasn't trying to block literally every shot, he'd get killed in the paint. That's why I said the whole weight/strength thing is slightly overrated because it's not like he'll be guarding the Andrew Bynum's and the Duhwight Howard's and the Al Horford's of the world every single night.
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                              • Chrisksaint
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                                • Apr 2010
                                • 19127

                                #1560
                                Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                                Yeah i'd imagine he'd be guarding mostly 4s for now at least, i'm curious to see with his current build/quickness if he could stay in front of SFs like KD,etc if it came to it in clutch time.
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