2012 NBA Draft Discussion

[wwharton]

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The part about low post defender is true. Statistically, he wasn't good at all as a low post defender. Really was just good in helpside. He was actually worse statistically than Drew Gooden, who not only is a bad defender, but also played for I believe the worst defensive team in the league this past season.

No doubt, I'm not trying to put Ibaka in the hall, lol. He's got lots of room for improvement on both ends of the floor. But he still lead the league in blocks and was 1st team all defense this year. If I were drafting in the top 3 and someone told me I'd get someone who'd reach those achievements 2 years into their career with a decent offensive game and room to grow, I'd say sign me up. So I'm wondering who in this draft does da throne (or anyone really) see reaching similar heights 2 years into their career.

Obviously nobody knows how these guys will fair in the league. We won't even know where they will land until Thursday. Ofcourse I could be way off. I would never act like I know it all. I'm aware that sometimes I can be very unique how I see things. Just based on what I've seen from the guys I listed says they can come into the league and have immediate impacts.

Yeah, and you may be right. I'm not trying to beat you down here since they're all hypothetical. I'm just saying prospects like LBJ and Shaq have the kind of potential that you jump at, but absent of them I don't think too many people would turn down the type of production Ibaka has put up 2 years in. So I'm wondering what exactly do you think these guys you listed can do 2 years in to surpass his accomplishments. I know it's all guessing but I'm still curious bc I just can't see it... even hypothetically, unless someone is a real surprise. I don't think averaging 15 and 5 boards (for example) is enough to say a guy has done more than someone who made 1st team all defense, lead the league in blocks and has a decent 15 foot jumper and in from the 4 spot. So maybe some projections of what you think these guys can do that amount to better than what Ibaka has done (if you feel like it... I know it's asking for some thinking/work).

Oh I thought we were talking about in the event that Beal isn't there at 3. If Beal's gone and it's between Robinson, Drummond, MKG, and Barnes, I think Barnes is a much better fit for Washington.

And Barnes has a pretty decent shot.

Still disagree. If they can't get the "shooter" then they should just shift focus. Barnes will be a solid player for someone but he'll just be average in DC. He doesn't have the intangibles they need IMO. They shouldn't be thinking about finding someone to fit with their current roster (besides Wall) but just the BPA period. Beal is arguably that AND fits so he's a no brainer... everyone else (besides Davis of course) is up in the air. Personally I'd go MKG.

[Chrisksaint]

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Don't think this was posted yet, one of the better reads each year regarding the draft.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...&sct=hp_t11_a0

Was a pretty good read, interesting stuff

[KG]

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They need shooters.

They have enough guys that could either drive and put the ball in the basket but they have no outside shooting threat and no, Barnes does not fit that description.

I think Barnes will be one of a few players that will be able to come in and produce right away. I think he has the skillset to immediately help the Wizards or any other crappy team that needs a scoring injection from the wing. This is the reason I don't want MKG (waits for UK fans to come in and sing his praises). We don't need another bad perimeter shooter or even someone who is great 1 v 1. Wall will have the ball in his hand the majority of the game.

I think SOME people are still killing Barnes for what he was supposed to be as opposed to the positive things he can do.

[Rocky]

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RE: Beal

Ex and OSU hit it right on the head.

I just wish MJ and Cho felt the same way about him... instead they are all about Thomas Robinson. I think Robinson will be a fine player in his own right, but Beal has so much more potential. We already have Hendo, but you don't pass on Bradley Beal because you have Gerald Henderson...

I'm just not seeing Beal as a must have pick, which is what he needs to justify taking him if the best player on your team playing the same position. If Beal had PG skills, than I could see the logic. I think Cho wanted him to possess lead guard abilities and he doesn't have them yet.

[Sportsbuck]

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I'm just not seeing Beal as a must have pick, which is what he needs to justify taking him if the best player on your team playing the same position. If Beal had PG skills, than I could see the logic. I think Cho wanted him to possess lead guard abilities and he doesn't have them yet.

I think taking a player at the same position as your current best player doesn't matter as much when your best player is Gerald Henderson. I love Hendo but he would struggle to crack the starting 5 on a lot of teams around the league.

I can see the argument of taking Robinson because we need a sure thing right now, and he can bring length, rebounding, and scoring ability in the post, but I just see a franchise-player type of talent in Beal and passing him up is a big mistake IMO.

[BashFlang]

What I like about Barnes is his low end potential.

Low: Rashard Lewis
High: Danny Granger

In my opinion of course, but the fact that he can come in and shoot the lights out is good enough for most lottery teams. The rest of his game could either grow or it could not.

I am wary about Waiters because Wes Johnson had the same hype. I agree not the same player, but still something to consider.

I'm hoping my Clippers trade into the first round for a SG or Center or SF that can be a rotation player. But it probably won't happen because they are too stupid to hire a GM

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[Checmate101]

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Give me Beal or Barnes right about now...with the trade for Ariza, dont' really need MKG right now

[mikenoob]

Anyone watching the first take draft special? Skip says he would be ok with bobcats going Austin rivers at number 2 and also said beal is overrated. Basically that means beal is a legitimate stud. Make that move cavs!


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[Checmate101]

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You know how Skip is...if everybody say the person is going to be good, he'll say the complete opposite.

[BashFlang]

Yea he is annoying but that's why he has a job. Conflict is one of the biggest values that television lives by. He probably doesn't truly believe half of what he says.

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[Basketball GURU]

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There seem to be a lot of guard/combo guards that will be available when the bulls pick at 29

Hopefully they end up with Barton, Doron Lamb, Fournier, or John Jenkins

Hopefully we can grab Will Barton.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Don't think this was posted yet, one of the better reads each year regarding the draft.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...&sct=hp_t11_a0

Really loved what was said about Zeller. I'm telling ya, I would take him over Leonard every single time.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I want my Hornets to acquire Tony Wroten JR. I think I see some OJ Mayo in him.

Mayo is a sharp-shooter. Wroten is a worse shooter than Rondo...

[Bdubb]

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For once I agree with ESPN here.

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[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Still disagree. If they can't get the "shooter" then they should just shift focus. Barnes will be a solid player for someone but he'll just be average in DC. He doesn't have the intangibles they need IMO. They shouldn't be thinking about finding someone to fit with their current roster (besides Wall) but just the BPA period. Beal is arguably that AND fits so he's a no brainer... everyone else (besides Davis of course) is up in the air. Personally I'd go MKG.

MKG is too similar to Singleton in my opinion. I think Barnes can give a team 15+ points per game and solid defense. And I think he can be a go-to guy towards the ends of games, which I don't think Wall or MKG will ever be.

And I know some people have gotten on Barnes for his lack of killer instinct and what-not, but I think he has it. Just isn't a rah-rah kinda guy. But you can even go back to the article that I posted that talked about him when he was in high school. He heard the UNC offered another SF a scholarship, and he took it personal and absolute dominated the kid to make it perfectly clear that he was the better player. From what I've read, he's also very analytical about the game. I think that will take him a long ways. I've been saying it from Day 1, but he reminds me a bit of Paul Pierce and Joe Johnson. He's just a smooth scorer and an underrated defender.