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  • da ThRONe
    Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
    • Mar 2009
    • 8528

    #1381
    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

    Originally posted by wwharton
    And this is after 2 years in the league? I'm curious to know who you expect more from in this year's draft... and separate question if necessary, who you expect more from after year two in the league?
    My list of players in this draft who I think will be better than Ibaka(excluding Davis because I think that's a push).

    T.Robinson
    B.Beal
    M.Kidd-Gilchirst
    A.Drummond
    J. Sullinger
    P.Jones
    T.Jones

    List of players that I think will be having a bigger impact in two years

    T.Robinson(my choice for ROTY)
    T.Jones
    B.Beal
    J.Sullinger
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    • Yeah...THAT Guy
      Once in a Lifetime Memory
      • Dec 2006
      • 17294

      #1382
      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

      What exactly do you see in Terrence Jones and Sullinger that tells you they'll be better than Ibaka immediately? I'm kinda high on Sullinger and I don't think he'll be that good lol. And I don't see anything in Terrence.
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      • wwharton
        *ll St*r
        • Aug 2002
        • 26949

        #1383
        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

        Originally posted by da ThRONe
        My list of players in this draft who I think will be better than Ibaka(excluding Davis because I think that's a push).

        T.Robinson
        B.Beal
        M.Kidd-Gilchirst
        A.Drummond
        J. Sullinger
        P.Jones
        T.Jones

        List of players that I think will be having a bigger impact in two years

        T.Robinson(my choice for ROTY)
        T.Jones
        B.Beal
        J.Sullinger
        And I say you're crazy... my opinion of course. Are you basing this on Ibaka being the 4th scoring option (on a team with volume shooters) or are you also considering his D, being the leading shot blocker in the league and all?

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        • da ThRONe
          Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
          • Mar 2009
          • 8528

          #1384
          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

          Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
          What exactly do you see in Terrence Jones and Sullinger that tells you they'll be better than Ibaka immediately? I'm kinda high on Sullinger and I don't think he'll be that good lol. And I don't see anything in Terrence.
          Terrence has the size/power/length of a PF and the skill/athleticism of a SF.

          I just think Sully is a ball player. I think about a guy like Brand who I wasn't a fan coming out of Duke because of his lack of phyiscal gifts. However he just knows how to over come all that and same with Jared.
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          Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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          • da ThRONe
            Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
            • Mar 2009
            • 8528

            #1385
            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

            Originally posted by wwharton
            And I say you're crazy... my opinion of course. Are you basing this on Ibaka being the 4th scoring option (on a team with volume shooters) or are you also considering his D, being the leading shot blocker in the league and all?
            Doesn't bother me what you say about me. I don't get you at times either.

            Yeah blocking shots are great, but he's not a great post defender either.
            You looking at the Chair MAN!

            Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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            • Yeah...THAT Guy
              Once in a Lifetime Memory
              • Dec 2006
              • 17294

              #1386
              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

              Originally posted by da ThRONe
              Terrence has the size/power/length of a PF and the skill/athleticism of a SF.

              I just think Sully is a ball player. I think about a guy like Brand who I wasn't a fan coming out of Duke because of his lack of phyiscal gifts. However he just knows how to over come all that and same with Jared.
              Fair enough on Sullinger, but I don't see that at all with Terrence. I don't think he really has wingman skills or big man skills. Really seems like he just has good length and athleticism and no legitimate NBA skills.

              Even TheMikeSchmitz (the guy on YouTube that breaks down all the prospects games and stuff) has his only strengths being his physical gifts, defense, and versatility. He seems to me like a guy that really doesn't have anything besides dunking ability offensively. A good first step, but he rarely got past guys without hooking them and I don't think he'll be strong enough to get away with that in the NBA. Same with his post game. Looks like he was just able to take advantage of being longer/stronger than guys down low, but he doesn't seem like he'll be longer/stronger than guys at the NBA level. I don't know. He's the one guy I want absolutely nothing to do with in this draft.
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              • wwharton
                *ll St*r
                • Aug 2002
                • 26949

                #1387
                Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                Originally posted by da ThRONe
                Doesn't bother me what you say about me. I don't get you at times either.

                Yeah blocking shots are great, but he's not a great post defender either.
                lol, never said you should care what I say. Just stating that I personally feel your assessment is crazy.

                BTW, the voters of the All Defensive team disagree with you. So other than disagreeing with the powers that be in the league (which is your right) you somehow see those names you listed in some way outperforming someone who lead the league in a category and was voted to an all defensive first team (could be something else on the same level for a different player) in two years of the NBA? Do you at least understand why it's hard to accept your theory here?

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                • Yeah...THAT Guy
                  Once in a Lifetime Memory
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 17294

                  #1388
                  Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                  Originally posted by wwharton
                  lol, never said you should care what I say. Just stating that I personally feel your assessment is crazy.

                  BTW, the voters of the All Defensive team disagree with you. So other than disagreeing with the powers that be in the league (which is your right) you somehow see those names you listed in some way outperforming someone who lead the league in a category and was voted to an all defensive first team (could be something else on the same level for a different player) in two years of the NBA? Do you at least understand why it's hard to accept your theory here?
                  The part about low post defender is true. Statistically, he wasn't good at all as a low post defender. Really was just good in helpside. He was actually worse statistically than Drew Gooden, who not only is a bad defender, but also played for I believe the worst defensive team in the league this past season.
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                  • da ThRONe
                    Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 8528

                    #1389
                    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                    Originally posted by wwharton
                    lol, never said you should care what I say. Just stating that I personally feel your assessment is crazy.

                    BTW, the voters of the All Defensive team disagree with you. So other than disagreeing with the powers that be in the league (which is your right) you somehow see those names you listed in some way outperforming someone who lead the league in a category and was voted to an all defensive first team (could be something else on the same level for a different player) in two years of the NBA? Do you at least understand why it's hard to accept your theory here?
                    Obviously nobody knows how these guys will fair in the league. We won't even know where they will land until Thursday. Ofcourse I could be way off. I would never act like I know it all. I'm aware that sometimes I can be very unique how I see things. Just based on what I've seen from the guys I listed says they can come into the league and have immediate impacts.
                    You looking at the Chair MAN!

                    Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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                    • Sportsbuck
                      The Predator
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 4326

                      #1390
                      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                      RE: Beal

                      Ex and OSU hit it right on the head.

                      I just wish MJ and Cho felt the same way about him... instead they are all about Thomas Robinson. I think Robinson will be a fine player in his own right, but Beal has so much more potential. We already have Hendo, but you don't pass on Bradley Beal because you have Gerald Henderson...
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                      • ProfessaPackMan
                        Bamma
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 63852

                        #1391
                        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                        Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                        I think Barnes would be a good fit for them actually. They need someone that can put the ball in the basket. Barnes can do just that.

                        And regarding the buzz, man, I think someone is going to end up being pretty disappointed in Waiters. Don't think he's worth a top 10 pick at all. I get that he has potential, but I just don't think he'll make it as anything more than a 6th man, and I think he's a terrible fit for the Raptors.
                        They need shooters.

                        They have enough guys that could either drive and put the ball in the basket but they have no outside shooting threat and no, Barnes does not fit that description.
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                        • Yeah...THAT Guy
                          Once in a Lifetime Memory
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 17294

                          #1392
                          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                          Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
                          They need shooters.

                          They have enough guys that could either drive and put the ball in the basket but they have no outside shooting threat and no, Barnes does not fit that description.
                          Oh I thought we were talking about in the event that Beal isn't there at 3. If Beal's gone and it's between Robinson, Drummond, MKG, and Barnes, I think Barnes is a much better fit for Washington.

                          And Barnes has a pretty decent shot.
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                          • ehh
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 28962

                            #1393
                            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                            Don't think this was posted yet, one of the better reads each year regarding the draft.

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                            • DakkoN
                              All Star
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 5611

                              #1394
                              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                              Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                              Fair enough on Sullinger, but I don't see that at all with Terrence. I don't think he really has wingman skills or big man skills. Really seems like he just has good length and athleticism and no legitimate NBA skills.

                              Even TheMikeSchmitz (the guy on YouTube that breaks down all the prospects games and stuff) has his only strengths being his physical gifts, defense, and versatility. He seems to me like a guy that really doesn't have anything besides dunking ability offensively. A good first step, but he rarely got past guys without hooking them and I don't think he'll be strong enough to get away with that in the NBA. Same with his post game. Looks like he was just able to take advantage of being longer/stronger than guys down low, but he doesn't seem like he'll be longer/stronger than guys at the NBA level. I don't know. He's the one guy I want absolutely nothing to do with in this draft.
                              Thank you.. I've been saying this about Terrence for 2 years now.. People who thinks he's this and that and going to be so good have really only looked at measurements and numbers instead of actually watching the games and seeing him get his shots swatted left and right like he was 5'9".. He's got mechanical problems that goes way beyond a bad shot form.. He brings the ball down to his waist to avoid contact, even on smaller defendes, and would end up getting it blocked because of it.. I've said for 2 years that it's VERY obvious to see that he is someone that has played his whole life being bigger and stronger than everyone else and never learned fundamentals and instincts because of it.. I hope the guy can turn it around and be a star but as for now, stay away from TJ...
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                              • Hornetz
                                Rookie
                                • May 2012
                                • 275

                                #1395
                                Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                                I want my Hornets to acquire Tony Wroten JR. I think I see some OJ Mayo in him.
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