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  • wwharton
    *ll St*r
    • Aug 2002
    • 26949

    #1351
    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

    Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
    I've never really been a fan of Carolina Bigs(save for Jamison during his time in DC) in the Pros(same with dook), that's why I don't like Zeller.
    Jamison did most of his work before he headed to DC. He's had a very solid NBA career. You also forgot about Sheed (who also did most of his work outside of DC, lol). We'll forget about the JR Reids, Montrosses, etc.

    Originally posted by da ThRONe
    While OKC is a very young gifted team Serge is the 4th best player. He's not a star not sure he'll ever get there. He's a great rim protector and PNR defender however he's a spotty post defender. He can finish around the cup and he's got a real nice shot out to 18-19 ft, however he's limited everywhere else on offense and can't manufacture his own shot.

    I happen to really like this draft class. If I don't think Davis is top 5 why would I think Ibaka is? It's not me being stubborn it's me not thinking either has or will have that kind of impact on the league in comparison to some of the players that will be drafted this year.
    And this is after 2 years in the league? I'm curious to know who you expect more from in this year's draft... and separate question if necessary, who you expect more from after year two in the league?

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    • Chrisksaint
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      • Apr 2010
      • 19127

      #1352
      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

      I don't agree with it but that's just because I don't think Beal is a good player lol
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      • ex carrabba fan
        I'll thank him for you
        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #1353
        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

        With me, I'm looking at the draft through the context that anyone outside of Davis will be complimentary players

        I don't think anyone of these kids will become building blocks [i.e. number one or two options] for franchises

        I think Beal is the closest thing to being a building block besides Anthony Davis

        Definitely strikes me as a potential third wheel type guy ala Harden/Manu/Eric Gordon/lesser Ray Allen

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        • OSUFan_88
          Outback Jesus
          • Jul 2004
          • 25642

          #1354
          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

          Anyone who watched UF last year knew that Beal had a ton of talent, but was just surrounded by complete buffoons and ballhogs. Dude ended up playing PF at the end of the year.

          He's a great player, but I think the Cavs are acting like they are a Brad Beal away from a title, which they aren't. They need to put on the breaks and realize that they played with 6 D-League players last year. This team does need high end talent, but they also need depth. Trading away some of that depth for one guy is not very smart. In my opinion.

          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
          With me, I'm looking at the draft through the context that anyone outside of Davis will be complimentary players

          I don't think anyone of these kids will become building blocks [i.e. number one or two options] for franchises

          I think Beal is the closest thing to being a building block besides Anthony Davis

          Definitely strikes me as a potential third wheel type guy ala Harden/Manu/Eric Gordon/lesser Ray Allen
          IMO, Beal can be an extremely good #3, A very good #2, or an average #1. He's a guy who could lead your team in points, grab rebounds, and eventually play defense. He won't lead the team in steals or block shots or do anything overly athletically talented, but he'll be extremely solid.

          I heard a comparison the other day that I really liked. He does remind me of a DW3 in a lot of ways. He can handle the ball, slash, and can really rebound like crazy. I think Beal is a significantly better shooter coming out of college, and Wade is a better defender and slasher. But they do remind me of each other in a playing style kind of way.

          In my opinion, I think he'd be a great player next to Kyrie. They can both handle the ball very well, both shoot the ball incredibly well, and play a reasonable amount of defense. That'd be a really hard backcourt to handle, especially with their ability to drive with the ball in their hands. They are both smart and willing to do the little things to win as well. I think they'd be the new Isiah and Dumars.
          Last edited by OSUFan_88; 06-26-2012, 12:55 PM.
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          • BlueNGold
            Hall Of Fame
            • Aug 2009
            • 21817

            #1355
            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

            Oh, Minnesota. I don't usually laugh out loud reading headlines on ESPN, but when I seen (paraphrasing) "Report: T-Wolves trade 1st rounder to Rockets for Budinger", I just started laughing.

            Someone really needs to put their Photoshop skills to good use and edit in Kahn and some T-Wolves players to this:

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            Also, if that rumor a couple posts up is true, gross. That's way too much for the Cavs to be giving up to move up 2 spots to get Beal (assuming that's who they're gunning for here). I could see if the Hornets did the unthinkable and drafted someone other than The Brow with the first overall pick, but otherwise, like OSU said, they just need to let the draft come to them. There will be a (hopefully) good player there for the taking at that spot no matter how the first 3 picks turn out.
            Originally posted by bradtxmale
            I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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            • ex carrabba fan
              I'll thank him for you
              • Oct 2004
              • 32744

              #1356
              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

              Interesting, OSU.

              I think Wall and Beal could also make an awesome backcourt as well.. and I think they compliment each other perfectly.

              But Kyrie and Beal would be a great start to building for the future.. either way you'll be good with #4 and 24

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              • OSUFan_88
                Outback Jesus
                • Jul 2004
                • 25642

                #1357
                Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                Interesting, OSU.

                I think Wall and Beal could also make an awesome backcourt as well.. and I think they compliment each other perfectly.

                But Kyrie and Beal would be a great start to building for the future.. either way you'll be good with #4 and 24
                I think Wall and Beal would be better. I think Kryie and Beal would let each play their natural games more.

                But I don't want to trade up for him. I want MKG.
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                • BlueNGold
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 21817

                  #1358
                  Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                  Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                  That's an aggressive play. I don't like it. I have said time and again to wait it out and see what you can get at 24. And if they do choose to move up, 4 and 24 is the most I would do.

                  Apparently, they disagree.
                  I feel the same way. If this draft can live up to whatever hype it has, then they should hopefully be able to get a good rotation player with that second 1st rounder. And the thing is with this team is it's badly lacking assets. Adding two more 1st round talents to Kyrie and Tristan is a really good start.

                  If they do actually go through with that trade and take Beal, I won't be too up in arms. He is the guy I want (slightly ahead of MKG, who I flip-flop on basically every day) and should be a great fit. At the same time I wouldn't mind seeing if MKG can fall to #4 and then using #24 on another good player.
                  Originally posted by bradtxmale
                  I like 6 inches. Its not too thin and not too thick. You get the support your body needs.



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                  • OSUFan_88
                    Outback Jesus
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 25642

                    #1359
                    Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                    This draft is living up to it's billing, although the top tier took a hit.

                    This draft is ridiculously deep. Which is why I don't want to give up 24. That's a good, 6th man/eventual starter type player they are giving up.
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                    • SteelersFreak
                      All Star
                      • May 2004
                      • 9582

                      #1360
                      Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                      Originally posted by JohnDoe8865
                      I agree, I really want Beal. We have no shooters.
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                      • ProfessaPackMan
                        Bamma
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 63852

                        #1361
                        Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                        Still don't think the Draft is that deep outside of the Top 6-7 picks.

                        I don't think anyone of these kids will become building blocks [i.e. number one or two options] for franchises
                        You don't necessarily need to be a #1 or a #2 to be a building block for a franchise.
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                        • ex carrabba fan
                          I'll thank him for you
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 32744

                          #1362
                          Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                          Right, but you get what I was trying to say...

                          I don't see any potential superstars outside of Davis/Beal

                          Also the draft is really deep with potential rotational players. Compared to past drafts at least, I would stop losing interest towards the middle of the first

                          IMO you can potentially find just as much value early in the second round as the middle of the first this year...

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                          • dynamicswish
                            Rookie
                            • May 2012
                            • 100

                            #1363
                            Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                            Right, but you get what I was trying to say...

                            I don't see any potential superstars outside of Davis/Beal

                            Also the draft is really deep with potential rotational players. Compared to past drafts at least, I would stop losing interest towards the middle of the first

                            IMO you can potentially find just as much value early in the second round as the middle of the first this year...
                            I see players in the 1st round besides Davis that end up as Danny Granger/Igoudala type players in that they aren't the best in the league, but they can be leaders and consistent members in their franchise. Whether they start or are rotational players.

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                            • Yeah...THAT Guy
                              Once in a Lifetime Memory
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 17294

                              #1364
                              Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                              In my opinion, the guys that can potentially be a #3 on a winning team or better:

                              Anthony Davis
                              Brad Beal
                              Harrison Barnes
                              MKG
                              Damion Lillard
                              Jeremy Lamb
                              Perry Jones
                              and maybe Andre Drummond

                              Not saying that they will reach those potentials, but those are the only guys that I really think have the potential to be that big of contributors.
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                              • Chrisksaint
                                $$$
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 19127

                                #1365
                                Re: 2012 NBA Draft Discussion

                                Really excited to see how this draft plays out after the top few picks. I'll be happy with whoever the Hornets nab at #10 tbh whether it's Rivers, Lamb, Lilliard, Zeller or heck I think Leonard for them may be worth the risk.
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