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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26203

    #391
    Re: Jeremy Lin

    Originally posted by Boltman
    I think it's beyond individual numbers that voters would be looking at if he were to even be considered for an MVP scenario. Everything you just posted is in regards to individual numbers for a player.

    For something like this to happen for Lin, it would be a combination of him keeping pace with the numbers he's been having (highly unlikely) and turning around the Knicks record from their current status as a team with a losing record to one of that with not only a winning record that gets them into the playoffs, but a high seed as well (again very unlikely).

    All highly unlikely yes, but possible.
    I think Kevin Garnett said it best. Though his reasons were more possible than the above happening, the words were still true no matter the scenario.
    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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    • 23
      yellow
      • Sep 2002
      • 66469

      #392
      Re: Jeremy Lin

      Honestly although people will, he shouldn't be expected to carry an awful franchise like he's Michael Jordan

      The guy is just doing his job and happens to have success from doing alot of basic fundamental things, driving, shooting mid range jumpers, hitting his ft's passing when double teams come..etc...

      He's a good fit for a team because he does those things solid. Melo and Amare if they let it flow would benefit from a guy like this because they wont have to work so hard to get to their spots and Lin wont have to work as hard to get shots off with others taking some of the pressure off

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      • King_B_Mack
        All Star
        • Jan 2009
        • 24450

        #393
        Re: Jeremy Lin

        Originally posted by CMH
        Which is why it was prefaced with IF he SOMEHOW put up the SAME numbers.

        Come on, you really think I'm over here trying to argue that Lin will win MVP? I'm not crazy.

        Don't get me wrong not saying you're saying he's going to win the MVP, but it's pointless to say if he somehow keeps averaging 28 points a game or even 21 or so with Melo and Amar'e in the lineup he has a shot at MVP because that something that's extremely unlikely to happen. It's like me trying to make an argument if Carlos Boozer somehow becomes an all-world defender. Yeah, it could happen at some point but it pretty much is a guarantee that it won't. There's just not enough time for Lin to raise his numbers (particularly his scoring) to a number to leapfrog the current MVP frontrunners.

        Looking at NBA.com's list of guys the rankings are as follows;

        1. LeBron James
        2. Kevin Durant
        3. Kobe Bryant
        4. Chris Paul
        5. Derrick Rose
        6. Dwight Howard
        7. Kevin Love
        8. Russell Westbrook
        9. Paul Pierce
        10. Andre Iguodala

        There's a realistic possibility that Lin is going to top what all these guys are doing with Melo and Amar'e in the lineup? Especially when he's supposed to be the guy making THEM better (particularly Amar'e).

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        • CMH
          Making you famous
          • Oct 2002
          • 26203

          #394
          Re: Jeremy Lin

          Originally posted by King_B_Mack
          Don't get me wrong not saying you're saying he's going to win the MVP, but it's pointless to say if he somehow keeps averaging 28 points a game or even 21 or so with Melo and Amar'e in the lineup he has a shot at MVP because that something that's extremely unlikely to happen. It's like me trying to make an argument if Carlos Boozer somehow becomes an all-world defender. Yeah, it could happen at some point but it pretty much is a guarantee that it won't. There's just not enough time for Lin to raise his numbers (particularly his scoring) to a number to leapfrog the current MVP frontrunners.

          Looking at NBA.com's list of guys the rankings are as follows;

          1. LeBron James
          2. Kevin Durant
          3. Kobe Bryant
          4. Chris Paul
          5. Derrick Rose
          6. Dwight Howard
          7. Kevin Love
          8. Russell Westbrook
          9. Paul Pierce
          10. Andre Iguodala

          There's a realistic possibility that Lin is going to top what all these guys are doing with Melo and Amar'e in the lineup? Especially when he's supposed to be the guy making THEM better (particularly Amar'e).
          But maybe they trade Carmelo and Stoudemire for a bunch of role players!

          We don't need 'em anyway. 5 straight!

          Nah, but, yes, I do get where you're coming from. We get each other. I think that's confirmed.
          "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

          "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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          • King_B_Mack
            All Star
            • Jan 2009
            • 24450

            #395
            Re: Jeremy Lin

            Originally posted by Boltman
            I think it's beyond individual numbers that voters would be looking at if he were to even be considered for an MVP scenario. Everything you just posted is in regards to individual numbers for a player.

            For something like this to happen for Lin, it would be a combination of him keeping pace with the numbers he's been having (highly unlikely) and turning around the Knicks record from their current status as a team with a losing record to one of that with not only a winning record that gets them into the playoffs, but a high seed as well (again very unlikely).

            All highly unlikely yes, but possible.
            You posted while I was posting Bolt lol. I totally understand that things other than numbers would factor into the voting, but c'mon. He's gotta have at least comparable numbers to go with his feel good story for this to happen and as I said, I don't think there's enough time to do it with Amar'e and Melo back.

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            • DamnYanks2
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jun 2007
              • 20794

              #396
              Re: Jeremy Lin

              If Lin continued his current play till the end of the season, and the Knicks make a huge turnaround and make the Playoffs. I could definitely see some people on ESPN pushing Lin for MVP. Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

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              • Boltman
                L.A. to S.D. to HI
                • Mar 2004
                • 18283

                #397
                Re: Jeremy Lin

                Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                You posted while I was posting Bolt lol. I totally understand that things other than numbers would factor into the voting, but c'mon. He's gotta have at least comparable numbers to go with his feel good story for this to happen and as I said, I don't think there's enough time to do it with Amar'e and Melo back.
                Yea I saw that lol.

                CMH's last line sums it up for me as well, as I feel about the exact same on it.

                "Nah, but, yes, I do get where you're coming from. We get each other. I think that's confirmed."

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                • ScoobySnax
                  #faceuary2014
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 7624

                  #398
                  Originally posted by 23
                  Wow! I guess it's real.


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                  • BearClaw
                    Pro
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 671

                    #399
                    Re: Jeremy Lin

                    Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                    Don't get me wrong not saying you're saying he's going to win the MVP, but it's pointless to say if he somehow keeps averaging 28 points a game or even 21 or so with Melo and Amar'e in the lineup he has a shot at MVP because that something that's extremely unlikely to happen. It's like me trying to make an argument if Carlos Boozer somehow becomes an all-world defender. Yeah, it could happen at some point but it pretty much is a guarantee that it won't. There's just not enough time for Lin to raise his numbers (particularly his scoring) to a number to leapfrog the current MVP frontrunners.

                    Looking at NBA.com's list of guys the rankings are as follows;

                    1. LeBron James
                    2. Kevin Durant
                    3. Kobe Bryant
                    4. Chris Paul
                    5. Derrick Rose
                    6. Dwight Howard
                    7. Kevin Love
                    8. Russell Westbrook
                    9. Paul Pierce
                    10. Andre Iguodala

                    There's a realistic possibility that Lin is going to top what all these guys are doing with Melo and Amar'e in the lineup? Especially when he's supposed to be the guy making THEM better (particularly Amar'e).
                    How those two are even on that list is baffling me. They can be directly blamed for more than a few losses and can dismantle their own teams. Lin could creep up there but his play would have to be so far beyond spectacular to even come close to winning, thanks to the shortened season and his missed games. And how is Tony Parker not on that list? I may not like the guy but he's leading a group of young guns and Tim Duncan on a fantastic run.

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                    • OSUFan_88
                      Outback Jesus
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 25642

                      #400
                      Re: Jeremy Lin

                      Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                      It may get a mention, but him being in NYC is going to make it Tim Tebow unbearable.
                      Too Old To Game Club

                      Urban Meyer is lol.

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                      • RockinDaMike
                        All Star
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 9092

                        #401
                        Had some bad turnovers, but damn that game winning shot was gangsta
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                        • King_B_Mack
                          All Star
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 24450

                          #402
                          Re: Jeremy Lin

                          Only 1,018 pages to go before catching the LeBron thread. Please God don't let this Lin thing last that long.

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                          • TheMatrix31
                            RF
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 52919

                            #403
                            Re: Jeremy Lin

                            Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                            Only 1,018 pages to go before catching the LeBron thread. Please God don't let this Lin thing last that long.
                            Why not? Is it a ****ing crime to have a good player come out of nowhere and stay good?

                            Some of you guys give WAY too much power to the media and other people.

                            Who CARES. Watch the damn kid ball. That's all that matters.

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                            • BearClaw
                              Pro
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 671

                              #404
                              Re: Jeremy Lin

                              Originally posted by RockinDaMike
                              Had some bad turnovers, but damn that game winning shot was gangsta
                              and just like every player in the league after a game winner he becomes about as thug as you can get. Hands and arms stiff at his side with the skip walk back on defense.

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                              • bigeastbumrush
                                My Momma's Son
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 19245

                                #405
                                Re: Jeremy Lin

                                Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                                Only 1,018 pages to go before catching the LeBron thread. Please God don't let this Lin thing last that long.

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