Eastern Conference Playoffs Discussion Thread 1st Round

[The 24th Letter]

Those Nugget teams some years back ran some damn smooth offense...have to take the personnel into consideration though....

[Speedy_Bronco]

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Is there a coach in the NBA that can break Melo, or are his habits too bad to break now?

Gregg Popovich. Only one. I'll Guarantee that.

[OSUFan_88]

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They didn't have the guns to do anything else, with there no.2 guy in foul trouble half of the game.

I understand that.

But it's not getting that much better. This offense was a carbon copy from Atlanta.

I'm not roasting Melo for this. When your offensive play book is one play, the problem doesn't start with the players...

[Drewski]

To say the Knicks played better when Melo was out is just unfair. The Knicks had a PG who could break down the defense in Lin @ the time.

What did people expect when the Knicks didn't have a PG who can break down the defense? It's gonna turn into more of an ISO Offense..

Kill Melo all you guys want. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't of even made the playoffs

Not necessarily saying he's the problem but it was pretty common to hear the he's gonna mess up the offense go round. Id agree its not fair to really judge when your starting PG who is the only guy creating in PnR situations goes down.

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[Galvatron]

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I understand that.

But it's not getting that much better. This offense was a carbon copy from Atlanta.

I'm not roasting Melo for this. When your offensive play book is one play, the problem doesn't start with the players...

I'll give you that, I'm certainly not a fan of Woodson's offensive tactics but the way this team is assembled I honestly couldn't expect anything different. They're just not a good mix on the floor, period.

[The 24th Letter]

and let me say I'm not blaming Melo either...but there was so much iso and force feeding they weren't even putting pressure on the worst 3 point defending team in the playoffs.

and there was plenty of 3 plot personnel available....just not good O

[Rawdeal28]

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I think its clear that Melo has to learn to play more off ball and try score in more ways than just isolation if he and Amare are gonna succeed together.

i dont understand why they dont run pick & rolls together regularly.

[Galvatron]

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I think its clear that Melo has to learn to play more off ball and try score in more ways than just isolation if he and Amare are gonna succeed together.

i dont understand why they dont run pick & rolls together regularly.

He's actually quite capable of scoring in different ways, I've seen it plenty of times. He just doesn't do enough of it, especially when the defense clamps down on him.

Honestly I think the biggest knock on him is that he DOESN'T MAKE OTHERS AROUND HIM BETTER. Guys like Lebron and Wade, somehow get others around them to step up in those crucial situations, something Melo has never been able to do.

[NYJets]

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Not necessarily saying he's the problem but it was pretty common to hear the he's gonna mess up the offense go round. Id agree its not fair to really judge when your starting PG who is the only guy creating in PnR situations goes down.

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People did say that when the whole Linsanity thing was going on. But as exciting as that was, it was 7 games.

But the Knicks went, I believe, 18-6 once Woodson took over, with Carmelo playing as well as anybody in the league at that time. That was when the Knicks were at their best, so whoever said the Knicks were better when Melo was out is wrong, and it's not even something that can be debated.

I'd just like to hear with this pg situation, and this roster as a whole, what people would have done different. What matchups could the Knicks have exploited. What weaknesses could have been attacked. What types of plays should the Knicks have run that would have worked. With these rosters, I don't think there's much more we could have done except hope JR actually hit some shots.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I understand that.

But it's not getting that much better. This offense was a carbon copy from Atlanta.

I'm not roasting Melo for this. When your offensive play book is one play, the problem doesn't start with the players...

Remember, the last coach they had was all about Offense and he got canned because people hated his style of Offense(even though with the right personnel it was effective at times)and the guy they chose to replace him was a Defensive Specialist.

Needless to say, I didn't expect their Offense to get stagnant like it did against Miami(some of that due to Miami's D)but I also know and understand that when you're without your Top 3 PG, your 2nd best player is in foul trouble, two guys who are useless if their shots aren't falling in, you're going to struggle to score some points.

[OSUFan_88]

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Remember, the last coach they had was all about Offense and he got canned because people hated his style of Offense(even though with the right personnel it was effective at times)and the guy they chose to replace him was a Defensive Specialist.

Needless to say, I didn't expect their Offense to get stagnant like it did against Miami(some of that due to Miami's D)but I also know and understand that when you're without your Top 3 PG, your 2nd best player is in foul trouble, two guys who are useless if their shots aren't falling in, you're going to struggle to score some points.

That's no excuse as to why they ran almost 0 plays.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I'm not trying to say it is/was.

Just saying(NYJets explained it better than I did)it wasn't like they had many options outside their 2 players(Novak and Smith)all of a sudden catch fire and hit every shot they make like they have in the past. Them running plays wouldn't have made a difference unless Melo wanted to sacrifice his 30 shot minimum that he's had since Denver.

[ehh]

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I don't think they ran a single iso for Melo in the first six minutes of the game, maybe once in which he caught the ball and shot it quickly. All sets with good movement and several passes leading to good looks. We scored 20 points pretty quickly and then it all just went down the ****ter and Meloball was put into full force.

The roster is a mess and it wasn't going to be a pretty series offensively but it should not have been this ugly. Early in the second half why do we call back-to-back isos for JR, who's shooting about 12% from the field?

We all know Melo is just a scorer and this team has no playmaker to create for others - namely Amare, Chandler and their shooters. The Knicks NEED at least an average point guard or they'll never win a single playoff series. None of their Big 3 make others better on the offensive end (Chandler on D does obv) so they must have a point guard. I've been a broken record the last week but the Knicks have gotten no penetration and barely anything from the PnR all series leaving the only options on offense as Meloball or quick-hitters. We all know the latter isn't Woody's strength especially without a point guard.

The Melo/STAT playoff era is 9 games in and they've played one game (Game 1 in Boston last year with Billups) with an average/above average point guard. The need needs to retool (goodbye JR, Fields and Douglas) and pray that they can lure a decent PG with their exception.

That's no excuse as to why they ran almost 0 plays.

There is to a certain degree. Their names are Bibby, Douglas, Fields and JR Smith.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I always thought Knick Fans loved Fields, especially last year since he was a 2nd round pick and made a nice little niche for himself on the team. Ya'll want him gone already or is it moreso ya'll don't think he's a starter?

[BlueNGold]

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