****2012 NBA FINALS DISCUSSION THREAD****

[wwharton]

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They ran zone in the last 2-3 minutes of Game 2

I've considered all of that and that was exactly my point. There are different factors(which was my whole point in this)that played a role in Dallas' Defense being more effective than OKC's Defense has.

But my point is what Dallas did doesn't have anything to do with what OKC should be doing. Jeebs and I (sorry if anyone else has been talking about this too) aren't saying "Dallas played a zone and confused them so OKC needs to play zone." I'm looking at it specifically from the POV of what OKC is working with and how Miami is attacking them in the half court. There are personnel groups they are dead set on using that would be better served in a zone. They also have huge issues if certain players get in foul trouble that could be reduced a bit if a zone was mixed in more. They can pack in a zone to swallow up any drives forcing the Heat to either become a jump shooting team or develop some kind of post presence. Most importantly, it's a drastic shift in the defense that would require adjustment which could slow down momentum and/or change the pace... possibly a significant factor considering the Heat have shown throughout the playoffs that they can struggle in half court sets, despite how well they've played it the last couple of games.

There are downfalls to playing it... I'm not suggesting it should be their base defense, or even that they stick with it for long stints, but it should be mixed in more. Jeebs also pointed out the issues the Thunder have gotten into on transition at times bc or the crossing of the matchups. This also isn't really an issue against a zone.

The thought isn't really related to last year's championship.

[JerzeyReign]

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Smh the cavs forum is a Sad place right now

They call Lebron #6 and Miami 'the other team' -- they don't even acknowledge them -- honestly, they are rooting for OKC harder than OKC fans

[jmood88]

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LeBron Is such fools gold.... He Is no Kobe, Jordan, Shaq.... ect. Yet he Wins just one ring and most the media will boast him up there with them. The reason he should never win a ring Is because of that. Half of us are forced to watch ESPN at times "god help us" and I am sure all basketball season the off season and even next year that Is all you will hear about. Meaning This Cavs team better do something and fast or BIG, Like take out Miami In a play-off series and or Win more ring than the LeBron heat team. If you think about It our team Is the only up and coming team In the east and I am sure the WW.... eh NBA knows this. This Is being set up for a Cavs, Heat Rivial. As for our other teams they have no affect on LeBron winning a ring however for all teams to be winning at once would make the media eat Crow and put us back on the map. So hopefully the guys stated In the Original Post will be the faces of winning for this city for years to come

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Id like for it to go to 7 games but I dont think OKC can keep up with Miami playing like this.

If KD starts pouting if he doesn't get a foul or if he slaps somebody's arm trying to play "defense" again and pouts, its going to be ugly.

[Boltman]

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I cringed reading that garbage (^ jmood's quote lol).

[Cavsfan4life]

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Did you say Cook?... Who would he defend? Brooks had him out there for a few minutes I remember I think Wade got some baskets vs him. If he doesn't hit 3's. He is basically useless. Same goes for Perkins. I know people will say the samething about Harden. But he brings defense. He just not hitting his shots. I rather have it that way. Then playing bad defense. It's tough

You could put him on Chalmers, or Miller depending on who is out there. I agree though his defense isnt great, but it shouldnt stop him from being in the game in a situation where they need a 3 pointer. He shouldnt replace Harden because Harden can still create for others. Playing Thabo over Cook IMO when you need a score is my problem. Brooks needs to make another adjustment, whether its putting Ilbaka on LBJ, going zone, or playing more small ball. Their offense and defense after game 1 has been horrible.

[videobastard]

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I hope the heat close it out tonight. Im just tired off the media talk over lebron not having a ring. I know there will be other discussions if the heat win it beaten to death. But at least the ringless king thing can be put to rest.

[NINJAK2]

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Interesting article on KD in finals...

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/30300/does-kevin-durant-have-too-much-kobe-bryant-in-him%22

[jeebs9]

You could put him on Chalmers, or Miller depending on who is out there. I agree though his defense isnt great, but it shouldnt stop him from being in the game in a situation where they need a 3 pointer. He shouldnt replace Harden because Harden can still create for others. Playing Thabo over Cook IMO when you need a score is my problem. Brooks needs to make another adjustment, whether its putting Ilbaka on LBJ, going zone, or playing more small ball. Their offense and defense after game 1 has been horrible.

I'm sorry but you can't take your best perimeter defender off the floor (Thabo). Also I've heard this Ibaka on LeBron thing. That's a complete joke. Zone sounds a little better like I said. But playing Cook is dangerous in my opinion.

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Lol what would these better defenses do without the zone

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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“Anti-Duke. Way more, way more. It’s a small school. I go to New York or Los Angeles, Chicago, D.C., big cities, I get some Duke love. But other than that, no Duke love.”
—Shane Battier, when asked if he hears more hate for Duke or the Miami Heat.

And that's how it should always be...with ALL of these dookies.

[thuglife74]

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Just as it's completely irrational to blame an entire loss on officiating, it's just as irrational to completely discredit it from having any effect on the game whatsoever.

In this series more importantly, it definitely has, and to say that Westbrook was doing a great job avoiding contact last night is hilarious.
If they called it equally, Russell would have been at the line 20 times last night. You don't even have to touch Wade in the lane and the whistles start blowing. There have been 4-5 instances where Wade has been merely grazed, nor touched at all and he has been sent to the line, and that's just on layup attempts alone. Completely ignoring the times where he jumps into guys, where according to rules, your not allowed to do anymore. Same goes for LeBron.

You're telling me a guy (Kevin Durant) that averages less that 2 fouls a game in a 5 YEAR CAREER, has been in foul trouble 3 straight games and can't stay on the floor? This guy is an incredibly intelligent player and good decision maker, on both ends of the ball, but now all of a sudden he's a hack and poor defender? Come on.

The officiating has totally effected the way the Thunder play on defense. They are hesitant to even press on the perimeter because of the fear of getting called for a foul. You've seen it the last 2 games, if you've actually watched. You can't just compare the numbers and say it has been fair.

couldn't have said it better myself. this says it all:

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if that's a 'home call' i'll be god d***ed. enjoy your handout, lebron.

[Cavsfan4life]

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I'm sorry but you can't take your best perimeter defender off the floor (Thabo). Also I've heard this Ibaka on LeBron thing. That's a complete joke. Zone sounds a little better like I said. But playing Cook is dangerous in my opinion.

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If you need a score late in the game, you have to IMO. Ilbaka against LBJ in the post is a better option than Harden or Thabo. Last game, LBJ didnt really score in the post, he found the open man for jump shots. That, plus the rebounding edge MIA has had over OKC could become bigger problems if OKC goes zone.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I suggest if anybody has any leftover Lebron Ring Jokes/Gifs you use em up right now because after tonight they may not be any good...unless you're a die hard Kobe/Celtics fan of course when then it becomes, "But we/Kobe still has more" LOL.

[thuglife74]

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I suggest if anybody has any leftover Lebron Ring Jokes/Gifs you use em up right now because after tonight they may not be any good...unless you're a die hard Kobe/Celtics fan of course when then it becomes, "But we/Kobe still has more" LOL.

even with a ring it's still easy as pie to make fun of the neanderthal jackass. yeah, i'm a h8ter - wanna fight about it?