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  • ..GameOver..
    Pro
    • Sep 2010
    • 575

    #4906
    Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

    Originally posted by mkharsh33
    Having read this thread all the way through, there's something KEY to Harden's contract I haven't seen mentioned here: an added FIFTH year...

    Wojnarowski adds that the Rockets, unlike the Thunder, are able to give Harden a five-year maximum extension. Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement, each team is allowed to designate one player to receive a five-year max extension, and the Thunder have already given one to Russell Westbrook.

    Durant's deal was grandfathered into the new CBA. The only players to sign the new FIFTH year deal under the new terms of the CBA are Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook. Houston IS going to give Harden the extra year, becoming only the 4th NBA player to receive such a deal.
    Nice catch.

    Can we please stop pretending like 6 mil is chump change? When you compare it to 60 mil it seems like chump change but that is still 10% of the dudes salary. Maybe Harden wanted to be THE guy. Him not starting might have been a factor as well. I heard he was bothered by it but I also heard he "got over it". Looking at it in that light, the trade makes more sense.

    I don't really have an opinion on who got the better of the trade. I am leaning towards the OKC camp getting the better of the trade. I will say that I am excited to watch the Rockets play though.

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    • 23
      yellow
      • Sep 2002
      • 66469

      #4907
      Here's some reaction from fellow players:

      Kevin Durant @KDTrey5 27 Oct

      Wow
      Eric Maynor @EMaynor3 27 Oct

      Wow
      LeBron James @KingJames 27 Oct

      Damn @James Harden got traded to H-Town! Figured something would happen with that situation but not this fast. #NBAFiles
      LeBron James ‏@KingJames

      Best of luck to my lil bro/homie @JHarden13 in H-Town! He bout to go HAM in his role now.
      DeAndre Jordan
      DeAndre Jordan @deandrejordan 27 Oct

      WOW!!!

      Reggie Evans @ReggieEvans30 27 Oct

      They trade that Boi quick.
      Reggie Evans @ReggieEvans30 about 8 minutes ago

      I know he MAD A$$$$$$$$ hell.
      Tony Allen @aa000G9 27 Oct

      Harding traded!
      Moe Harkless @moe_harkless 27 Oct

      That trade really happened? Wow


      Landry Fields @landryfields 27 Oct

      People's faces who are already out tonight for Halloween dressed up as James Harden ---->
      Austin Daye @Adaye5 27 Oct

      I hope OKC didn't do that if they did they lost a big key in there team with my bro @James Harden
      Ronnie Brewer @RonnieBrewerJr 27 Oct

      What y'all think about the Harden trade? Good or Bad move?

      DJ White @dj_white3 27 Oct

      Wow. Can't believe that trade happened.


      Dante Cunningham @DlamarC33 27 Oct

      It smells like someone SH! TTED in here
      Carl Landry
      Carl Landry @CarlLandry 27 Oct

      James Harden? Is That Trade Real?
      Brandon Rush
      Brandon Rush @KCsFinest4 27 Oct

      That was fast. J harden to the Rockets
      Kendall Marshall @KButter5 27 Oct

      Harden to the rockets, woooow.
      Hasheem Thabeet @HasheemTheDream about 10 minutes ago

      OH!!!
      Pau Gasol @paugasol 27 Oct

      Harden's trade caught me by surprise... I don't think many people saw this coming! Am I right!?
      Ed Davis
      Ed Davis @eddavis32 27 Oct

      Ain't nuttin more important than the mula *james harden voice
      Jeremy Lin @JLin7 27 Oct

      Really sad to see Kmart and JLamb go...both class acts and great teammates. Welcome Harden, Cook, Aldrich and Hayward to Houston!!

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      • DukeC
        Banned
        • Jul 2011
        • 5751

        #4908
        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

        Originally posted by 23
        Karl Malone is a hall of famer and probably one of the best PFs to ever play

        That's a bad example

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        I'm just bringing up the point that even great players can be terrible in the clutch or terrible in the playoffs...which he was. His shooting percentage took a severe dip during the playoffs (especially given the amount of volume shots he was attempting).

        He went from averaging around 53% in the regular season to averaging 45-46% in the playoffs.

        He definitely played worse in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.

        I'm not comparing Harden to Malone. I'm just saying that even great players can play badly in the playoffs.

        Hell, Kevin Garnett hasn't been great in the playoffs either.

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        • The 24th Letter
          ERA
          • Oct 2007
          • 39373

          #4909
          EDIT: Duke followed it up

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          • 23
            yellow
            • Sep 2002
            • 66469

            #4910
            Originally posted by DukeC
            I'm just bringing up the point that even great players can be terrible in the clutch or terrible in the playoffs...which he was. His shooting percentage took a severe dip during the playoffs (especially given the amount of volume shots he was attempting).

            He went from averaging around 53% in the regular season to averaging 45-46% in the playoffs.

            He definitely played worse in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.

            I'm not comparing Harden to Malone. I'm just saying that even great players can play badly in the playoffs.

            Hell, Kevin Garnett hasn't been great in the playoffs either.

            I'm not arguing that

            You're really going to compare harden to freaking Karl Malone and kg? Really?

            At what point did they fail and demand Max money that summer??

            Come on man.....James Harden is not on the level of either of those guys let alone faced the competition they had to

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            • DutchMastah7
              Pro
              • Jun 2011
              • 957

              #4911
              Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

              *Chris Smoove voice* This ain't 2K association trade logic babyy..

              Lame I know.
              Link to my NBA 2K13 2010-2011 Roster:

              http://www.operationsports.com/forum...box-360-a.html

              NBA: Bulls (Secondary Team: Hornets)
              NFL: Colts
              NHL: Blues
              MLB: Mariners

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              • ex carrabba fan
                I'll thank him for you
                • Oct 2004
                • 32744

                #4912
                Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                Everyone seems to be arguing and making points on different topics

                23, it isn't like Harden is going out there demanding money. OKC offered him a deal and he rejected. Ultimately he was prepared to play the season out and prove that he was worth a max contract. Also it isn't really his fault GM's are willing to offer him this level of money.

                Duke, you can't just compare two of the best players ever to play their positions to James Harden. Not in this situation. I get your overall point, but ultimately I think its not a good comparison. You're really going to say Malone has been terrible in the clutch and terrible in the playoffs? You sound like Alexbrady. I don't think you can make that determination, although his production dipped, you make it sound like he went Carlos Boozer. Not true IMO.

                Both KG and Malone had their fair-share of excellent playoff runs to offset any years where they might have not produced as was expected.

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                • BigDofBA
                  B**m*r S**n*r!
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 9066

                  #4913
                  Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                  As a Thunder fan, I think the trade is a great move.

                  OKC mad an offer to Harden for 55 million and he didn't accept. OKC can't have 4 guys on their team getting paid the max so they would have lost him after this season anyway.

                  Also, it's tough to pay a guy the max that doesn't even start.

                  OKC got a proven vet in Martin, a promising rookie in Lamb, draft picks, and they freed up some cap room.

                  I think they did the best with the situation they were in.
                  ***My Teams***
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                  MLB - St. Louis Cardinals
                  NFL - Dallas Cowboys
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                  • 23
                    yellow
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 66469

                    #4914
                    Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                    Everyone seems to be arguing and making points on different topics

                    23, it isn't like Harden is going out there demanding money. OKC offered him a deal and he rejected. Ultimately he was prepared to play the season out and prove that he was worth a max contract. Also it isn't really his fault GM's are willing to offer him this level of money.

                    Duke, you can't just compare two of the best players ever to play their positions to James Harden. Not in this situation. I get your overall point, but ultimately I think its not a good comparison. You're really going to say Malone has been terrible in the clutch and terrible in the playoffs? You sound like Alexbrady. I don't think you can make that determination, although his production dipped, you make it sound like he went Carlos Boozer. Not true IMO.

                    Both KG and Malone had their fair-share of excellent playoff runs to offset any years where they might have not produced as was expected.

                    I'm not arguing against h#rden I just said that was a bad comparison and it was but still I do think they should've given him the chance to prove his worth since its a contract year

                    This way it was kind of how Chicago did Ben gordan take it or leave it because they didn't want to pay the lux tax for harden



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                    • DamnYanks2
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 20794

                      #4915
                      Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                      LMAO at Cunningham and Tony Allen's tweets.

                      I'm not sure where the Rockets are going with everything, you see them give big money to Lin, who I think might be an average pg at best, and then you give big money to Harding (as Tony Allen would spell it)

                      What direction are they going? I think Harden being the main dog in Houston will be a disaster.

                      I think Martin will be fine filling in for Beardman, he doesn't have to force shots now, he doesn't have to be the main guy like he was in Sac town and Houston, he can really get some good looks, and he can score at will. Plus you get the extremely raw Lamb, but he could really pan out and a few draft picks.

                      Hard for me to understand how OKC didn't rape in this trade.

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                      • Fiasco West
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 2820

                        #4916
                        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                        Originally posted by DamnYanks2
                        LMAO at Cunningham and Tony Allen's tweets.

                        I'm not sure where the Rockets are going with everything, you see them give big money to Lin, who I think might be an average pg at best, and then you give big money to Harding (as Tony Allen would spell it)

                        What direction are they going? I think Harden being the main dog in Houston will be a disaster.

                        I think Martin will be fine filling in for Beardman, he doesn't have to force shots now, he doesn't have to be the main guy like he was in Sac town and Houston, he can really get some good looks, and he can score at will. Plus you get the extremely raw Lamb, but he could really pan out and a few draft picks.

                        Hard for me to understand how OKC didn't rape in this trade.
                        Lin getting 5 million a year and then becomes a huge expiring...Why do people act like he getting the Max? It's 5 million for two years, last year 14 million expiring.

                        Lamb has potential, but that's all it is at this point and Harden is 23. He could pan out...or he could be another Anthony Randolph, teams keep trading for him because he has 'potential'.

                        Two protected first round picks. The Toronto pick is worth a lot more, the Dallas pick is again top 20 protected, that means it's not even a lotto pick until 2018.

                        Also Houston can still offer the max next year so still has cap flex. I don't see how this was a bad move for Houston unless you think they should go full rebuild(tank) mode. Martin was gone any ways and Lamb is a guy with potential...Rockets have lots of guys with potential, pretty much their whole roster outside of Delfino.

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                        • Matt Bonner
                          Rookie
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 39

                          #4917
                          Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                          I don't understand all the bagging on Harden.

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                          • The 24th Letter
                            ERA
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 39373

                            #4918
                            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                            .
                            Duke, you can't just compare two of the best players ever to play their positions to James Harden. Not in this situation. I get your overall point, but ultimately I think its not a good comparison. You're really going to say Malone has been terrible in the clutch and terrible in the playoffs? You sound like Alexbrady. I don't think you can make that determination, although his production dipped, you make it sound like he went Carlos Boozer. Not true IMO.

                            Both KG and Malone had their fair-share of excellent playoff runs to offset any years where they might have not produced as was expected.
                            You cant just say good playoff runs offset poor ones though.... Look at the criticism Dirk and Bron got despite them having great playoff performances prior to their failures....fact is, whether it was fair or not, a common criticism of Malone was not being clutch. I think that was Dukes only comparison...not that Harden should be compared to HOFs as far as skill level...

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                            • ex carrabba fan
                              I'll thank him for you
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 32744

                              #4919
                              Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                              Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                              You cant just say good playoff runs offset poor ones though.... Look at the criticism Dirk and Bron got despite them having great playoff performances prior to their failures....fact is, whether it was fair or not, a common criticism of Malone was not being clutch. I think that was Dukes only comparison...not that Harden should be compared to HOFs as far as skill level...
                              I guess I just have issue with him calling Malone terrible in the playoffs. That's just not accurate.

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                              • DukeC
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2011
                                • 5751

                                #4920
                                Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                                Originally posted by DukeC
                                I'm just bringing up the point that even great players can be terrible in the clutch or terrible in the playoffs...which he was. His shooting percentage took a severe dip during the playoffs (especially given the amount of volume shots he was attempting).

                                He went from averaging around 53% in the regular season to averaging 45-46% in the playoffs.

                                He definitely played worse in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.

                                I'm not comparing Harden to Malone
                                . I'm just saying that even great players can play badly in the playoffs.

                                Hell, Kevin Garnett hasn't been great in the playoffs either.
                                Jeesus Christ some of you guys need to read carefully.

                                Someone brought up the fact that Harden played poorly in the playoffs. And that because of that he wasn't worth how ever much he was going to get. That remains to be seen because we haven't seen him in a starting role for 4-5 years.

                                In the meantime, I brought up evidence of players better than Harden playing JUST AS POORLY in the playoffs.

                                That's where the comparison began and ended. I didn't compare careers and said someone was better than the other. All I did was point out that, yes, some players tend to downgrade during the playoffs. That's it.

                                I have no idea where someone got the idea that I was saying that James Harden was on Malone or Garnett's level. No where did those words come out of my mouth.

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