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  • da ThRONe
    Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
    • Mar 2009
    • 8528

    #5011
    Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

    Originally posted by DukeC
    Jeremy Lin is a guy who can get you 15 and 5 (Maybe even 20 and 7) on a nightly basis. Especially considering both he and Harden are going to have the greenlight to shoot whenever they want to.
    I would add guys like Defino, Parson, Patterson and T. Jones(who could end up as a darkhorse for ROTY) to that list of guys who can get buckets. Harden should have the ultimate green light, but he's not the only offensive option by far.
    You looking at the Chair MAN!

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    • ex carrabba fan
      I'll thank him for you
      • Oct 2004
      • 32744

      #5012
      Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

      Originally posted by da ThRONe
      I would add guys like Defino, Parson, Patterson and T. Jones(who could end up as a darkhorse for ROTY) to that list of guys who can get buckets. Harden should have the ultimate green light, but he's not the only offensive option by far.
      Sure those guys are offensive options, just not very scary ones. They will have to be scoring options out of necessity since they really don't have anyone outside of Harden that teams need to focus and game plan for.

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      • da ThRONe
        Fire LesS Miles ASAP!
        • Mar 2009
        • 8528

        #5013
        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
        Maybe, but my point is defenses won't be scheming for Jeremy Lin first, Harden second. Nobody on that team is a bigger threat than Harden and if Lin is your second best threat, then yikes. Teams will let Lin go crazy and focus on stopping Harden.

        Not to mention Lin is no comparison to Westbrook or Durant in terms of matchups, obviously.

        Also if Lin averages 20 a game, well sheesh.
        The part of Harden game that I like a lot is his ability to distribute the ball. I agree we'll have to wait and see to how James will react to being the hunted night in night out, but like I was saying in another site he won't be alone on the offensives side of the ball.
        You looking at the Chair MAN!

        Number may not tell the whole story ,but they never lie either.

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        • ex carrabba fan
          I'll thank him for you
          • Oct 2004
          • 32744

          #5014
          Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

          Originally posted by da ThRONe
          The part of Harden game that I like a lot is his ability to distribute the ball. I agree we'll have to wait and see to how James will react to being the hunted night in night out, but like I was saying in another site he won't be alone on the offensives side of the ball.
          He loves to be unselfish and that's what makes him a great complimentary player. However he's always been a turnover waiting to happen. College too.

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          • Yeah...THAT Guy
            Once in a Lifetime Memory
            • Dec 2006
            • 17294

            #5015
            Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

            Originally posted by DukeC
            Jeremy Lin is a guy who can get you 15 and 5 (Maybe even 20 and 7) on a nightly basis. Especially considering both he and Harden are going to have the greenlight to shoot whenever they want to.
            15 and 5 would be great, but I don't think teams are really going to be too worried about him. He's certainly nowhere near Durant or even Westbrook status as far as concerning defenses goes.
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            • Yeah...THAT Guy
              Once in a Lifetime Memory
              • Dec 2006
              • 17294

              #5016
              Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

              Originally posted by da ThRONe
              I would add guys like Defino, Parson, Patterson and T. Jones(who could end up as a darkhorse for ROTY) to that list of guys who can get buckets. Harden should have the ultimate green light, but he's not the only offensive option by far.
              There's a difference between somebody who can occasionally score and a scorer. Harden is a scorer. Those guys you listed can occasionally score.

              And Terrence Jones will not sniff ROTY.
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              • Jukeman
                Showtime
                • Aug 2005
                • 10955

                #5017
                Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                Well Harden did have a complementary role...

                Half of his shots were 3's and he was never know for that shot.

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                • ex carrabba fan
                  I'll thank him for you
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 32744

                  #5018
                  Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                  Originally posted by Jukeman
                  Well Harden did have a complementary role...

                  Half of his shots were 3's and he was never know for that shot.
                  Actually, yes he was known for his shot. In college he was a good outside shooter and took outside shots regularly. He wasn't known for his athleticism before the NBA, which has now since blossomed exceptionally. Also his midrange game was in question, which could still be.

                  Of course by default he was the number 3 guy in OKC and it fits him perfectly. It's no diss on him that he's a number 3 guy. I personally look at him like a Manu or Joe Johnson. That's good enough to get contend for a title if you have two other main guys with you.

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                  • ProfessaPackMan
                    Bamma
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 63852

                    #5019
                    Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                    Originally posted by mkharsh33
                    Marshon has a LOT of "IF'S" surrounding him... Watching him play in summer league and preseason this year, I've got to admit that it appears he's regressed a bit. You guys are right - he needs a ton of DRIVE in his heart to push him forward. I think it kinda came easy to him, at first, but he's going to see how good NBA coaches are in adapting to him. I watch him and see a kid who sits between mediocrity and stardom, but not sure which way he'll fall...
                    I wouldn't say he's regressed just yet.

                    Defense is an issue and was when he came out(that goes with everyone else on the team with Defense being an issue)and that was really his only knock on him coming out. Even in Summer League, he did pretty well there outside of the first game. I do agree that so far, he doesn't look like the same player he did last year, even he hasn't really practiced or played that much outside of the Knick game.

                    This year, he'll most likely be our 6th man(although this is not a guarantee with the other players that have looked as good/better than him in Preseason) which is good for him(as he is not a starting SG on a good team)so if he can give us 12-15ppg off the bench then that'll be perfect.

                    If anything, there's more pressure on Lopez and Teletovic than anybody on the team especially since Teletovic can make our bench a whole lot better if he's hitting his shots.
                    #RespectTheCulture

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                    • Fiasco West
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 2820

                      #5020
                      Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                      This move makes things a lot easier for Lin. No one was going to go out and plan around Martin, they stopped doing that last year and the main threats for opposing teams was Lowry and Dragic. Some nights those two guys had to do every thing

                      The other guys on the Rockets can hit shots if they are open. Parsons is not exactly a guy you leave open. I'd say are best players now are Harden/Lin/Parsons in that order...but Parsons could very easily be 2nd best with all that he does and it's only his second year. Two of those guys can really create for others and are in the backcourt so it'll be interesting to see what happens there.

                      We'll see. I think what the Rockets will ask of Harden is to score in the 4th. I think you can be a guy who is more willing to help out his teammates and still be a great player. Not every superstar is about score score score.

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                      • Jukeman
                        Showtime
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 10955

                        #5021
                        Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                        Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                        Actually, yes he was known for his shot. In college he was a good outside shooter and took outside shots regularly. He wasn't known for his athleticism before the NBA, which has now since blossomed exceptionally. Also his midrange game was in question, which could still be.

                        Of course by default he was the number 3 guy in OKC and it fits him perfectly. It's no diss on him that he's a number 3 guy. I personally look at him like a Manu or Joe Johnson. That's good enough to get contend for a title if you have two other main guys with you.
                        I never said he shot bad from 3. He was never know to take as many threes as he does now compare when he was the guy.

                        Half of his FGA are from three since being in the NBA and playing within his role of the team. He did not take as many 3 pointers as he does now compared to college. He was always a high percentage shot taker.

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                        • DukeC
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 5751

                          #5022
                          Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                          Maybe, but my point is defenses won't be scheming for Jeremy Lin first, Harden second. Nobody on that team is a bigger threat than Harden and if Lin is your second best threat, then yikes. Teams will let Lin go crazy and focus on stopping Harden.

                          Not to mention Lin is no comparison to Westbrook or Durant in terms of matchups, obviously.

                          Also if Lin averages 20 a game, well sheesh.
                          That's what he was averaging when he went on his 10 game tear through the league. It's not likely he can keep that up for 82 games which is why I said 15 at first.

                          Honestly, his game reminds me of a young Tony Parker. It remains to be seen if he can develop that midrange jumper like the current Parker has though. Hell, if he could get it to Westbrook level he'd be just fine.

                          That pick and roll/pop game with Patterson could also be lethal as well.

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                          • ex carrabba fan
                            I'll thank him for you
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 32744

                            #5023
                            Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                            Originally posted by Fiasco West
                            This move makes things a lot easier for Lin. No one was going to go out and plan around Martin, they stopped doing that last year and the main threats for opposing teams was Lowry and Dragic. Some nights those two guys had to do every thing

                            The other guys on the Rockets can hit shots if they are open. Parsons is not exactly a guy you leave open. I'd say are best players now are Harden/Lin/Parsons in that order...but Parsons could very easily be 2nd best with all that he does and it's only his second year. Two of those guys can really create for others and are in the backcourt so it'll be interesting to see what happens there.

                            We'll see. I think what the Rockets will ask of Harden is to score in the 4th. I think you can be a guy who is more willing to help out his teammates and still be a great player. Not every superstar is about score score score.
                            Parsons I've always liked 100% better than Chase since day 1. The kid just gets it, and I think I sense a bit of the it factor in him as well.

                            Don't get my posts wrong in terms of me bashing you guys, I think you have some interesting pieces. I did like Scola and Lowry a lot however.

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                            • ex carrabba fan
                              I'll thank him for you
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 32744

                              #5024
                              Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                              Originally posted by DukeC
                              That's what he was averaging when he went on his 10 game tear through the league. It's not likely he can keep that up for 82 games which is why I said 15 at first.

                              Honestly, his game reminds me of a young Tony Parker. It remains to be seen if he can develop that midrange jumper like the current Parker has though. Hell, if he could get it to Westbrook level he'd be just fine.

                              That pick and roll/pop game with Patterson could also be lethal as well.
                              I'm a bit cautious with Lin but I do think he's got some fundamental skills and high IQ that could make him a viable point guard if the right system and players are around him.

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                              • ex carrabba fan
                                I'll thank him for you
                                • Oct 2004
                                • 32744

                                #5025
                                Re: NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

                                Originally posted by Jukeman
                                I never said he shot bad from 3. He was never know to take as many threes as he does now compare when he was the guy.

                                Half of his FGA are from three since being in the NBA and playing within his role of the team. He did not take as many 3 pointers as he does now compared to college. He was always a high percentage shot taker.
                                You said he wasn't known for shooting 3's. Yes, he was. In college he loved shooting the 3 and he made a good amount of them. His scouting report read that he was a good 3 point shooter. Of course he didn't take as many as he does now, he played in a different system in college. Not to mention at ASU I'm sure the coach didn't want him settling considering he got to the free throw line at will back then.

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