NBA Movement Central 2012 (All Transactions 1st Page)

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I don't know, I'd be very surprised if the Hawks don't beat the Raptors (if they don't end up moving Smith or Horford).

At the end of the day, Heat, Knicks, Nets, Celtics, Pacers, and 76ers are basically locks for the playoffs. The Bulls are most likely going to be fine if Rose comes back for like half the season. And then you're down to one spot between the Bucks, Hawks, Pistons, and Raptors. Raptors are probably the least likely of the 4 to get that spot.

And that's while banking on Valanciunas being everything he's been hyped up to be. If he doesn't pan out this year, they could be one of the worst teams in the league.

In other words, the gap between those 2 isn't really that big.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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We're talking about a total of 3109 minutes over the last two years. That's a fairly large sample size.

Oh my bad, didn't realize it was only showing the playoffs numbers before.

Regardless, 1586 minutes over 179 games, that's not very much. Equals out to about 8 or 9 minutes a game. I don't think that's really very much in my opinion, but we'll see.

I'll be shocked if he turns out to be a legitimate #1 guy. Possibly a #2, but I think he's more of a #3 on a good team like he was in OKC.

[Weeks]

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I think Mchale will develop Asik into a scoring big...not sure about dominate...but he has the ability.

Asik will never be a scoring big...at best he turns into a Gortat and is great on pick and roll. I don't ever see him being able to consistently get his own shot

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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In other words, the gap between those 2 isn't really that big.

I disagree, but it all hinges on how well Valanciunas plays. If he plays well, they could be an underdog but still stand a chance.

If he doesn't live up to the hype, they're probably a bottom 5 team in the league. They don't really have a go-to guy and really don't have much firepower at all.

[TheLetterZ]

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Oh my bad, didn't realize it was only showing the playoffs numbers before.

Regardless, 1586 minutes over 179 games, that's not very much. Equals out to about 8 or 9 minutes a game. I don't think that's really very much in my opinion, but we'll see.

I'll be shocked if he turns out to be a legitimate #1 guy. Possibly a #2, but I think he's more of a #3 on a good team like he was in OKC.

Why do you think the time he's spent on the court as the #3 option with Westbrook and Durant is a better indicator of his ability to be a #1 option than the 3109 minutes where he has tried and succeeded at being a #1 option?

As a scout, I'd expect a guy who puts up 25 PPG as the number one option to have his average drop to about 15 PPG if he had to be the third option behind players like Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant.

[mkharsh33]

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Funny how things pan out in the end... Danny Ainge trades the rights to Marshon Brooks to get the rights to JaJuan Johnson. I was disappointed in this decision, but trusted in Ainge...though it was obvious we got fleeced. Fast forward: Brooks appears to be struggling a bit, Johnson is traded as part of the deal to get Courtney Lee. Today Johnson was cut by the Rockets (according to latest reports). Again, funny how it all works out...

(Including how Ainge traded the rights to Jeff Green to get Ray Allen in that trade from Seattle...and then traded Perkins to reacquire Green, who looks OUTSTANDING this preseason).

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Brooks has been fine actually, all things considered.

[Altimus]

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Asik will never be a scoring big...at best he turns into a Gortat and is great on pick and roll. I don't ever see him being able to consistently get his own shot

That won't happen. Gortat can play the pick and pop game to a certain degree while Asik has problem catching the ball let alone shooting.

[Tomba]

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Brooks if he wanted to be could be a Kobe bryant like player

[LionsFanNJ]

Is Marshon had the drive and motivation like Kobe, that's absolutely his potential. He needs better commitment on defense, and his game would more resemble the Mamba Kobe than Frobe, because those are two totally different players.

As a Nets fan I don't see him reaching near those heights as Kobe's one of the best ever, but if he gets to be evwn half of what Kobe is I'll be ecstatic.

[ex carrabba fan]

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As featured in the graphic I posted, Harden averaged 30 points per 36 minutes on 50+% shooting when Westbrook and/or Durant weren't on the court.

He can and will score without them.

Why do you think the time he's spent on the court as the #3 option with Westbrook and Durant is a better indicator of his ability to be a #1 option than the 3109 minutes where he has tried and succeeded at being a #1 option?

As a scout, I'd expect a guy who puts up 25 PPG as the number one option to have his average drop to about 15 PPG if he had to be the third option behind players like Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant.

Those stats are awesome but not necessarily an indicator of his ability to carry a team on a night to night basis being the main scoring threat. You can't even begin to compare what types of defenses he'll face now that he's the only guy who can fill it up in Houston.

His decision making [not the best IMO] and shot selection will be put under the magnifying glass now.

He will score, he's a born scorer, but at what cost to his efficiency? It will dip for certain, but how much? How will he actually make his team better and elevate them to wins? It isn't just about scoring when you're the main man of the team. When you analyze those numbers coming off the bench in OKC it's difficult to truly read which defenders were guarding him and for how many possessions. Even with either KD or Westbrook off the floor, the defense's main concern and focus was either one of those men before Harden. Harden still got the benefit of the defenses shifting their schemes around KD or WB, which is not Harden's fault by any means.

[mkharsh33]

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Marshon has a LOT of "IF'S" surrounding him... Watching him play in summer league and preseason this year, I've got to admit that it appears he's regressed a bit. You guys are right - he needs a ton of DRIVE in his heart to push him forward. I think it kinda came easy to him, at first, but he's going to see how good NBA coaches are in adapting to him. I watch him and see a kid who sits between mediocrity and stardom, but not sure which way he'll fall...

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Why do you think the time he's spent on the court as the #3 option with Westbrook and Durant is a better indicator of his ability to be a #1 option than the 3109 minutes where he has tried and succeeded at being a #1 option?

As a scout, I'd expect a guy who puts up 25 PPG as the number one option to have his average drop to about 15 PPG if he had to be the third option behind players like Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant.

I'm not saying any of that. All I'm saying is that when you watch him play, he doesn't look like a #1 guy. Possibly a #2, but I'm still skeptical about that. He just seems like a complementary (is that the right complementary?) guy. And saying in the few minutes a game that he's on the floor as the #1 or 2 guy, he's able to put up good numbers isn't going to convince me otherwise. At the end of the day, it's just a few minutes a game that he's asked to expend that much energy.

[DukeC]

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Those stats are awesome but not necessarily an indicator of his ability to carry a team on a night to night basis being the main scoring threat. You can't even begin to compare what types of defenses he'll face now that he's the only guy who can fill it up in Houston.

His decision making [not the best IMO] and shot selection will be put under the magnifying glass now.

He will score, he's a born scorer, but at what cost to his efficiency? It will dip for certain, but how much? How will he actually make his team better and elevate them to wins? It isn't just about scoring when you're the main man of the team. When you analyze those numbers coming off the bench in OKC it's difficult to truly read which defenders were guarding him and for how many possessions. Even with either KD or Westbrook off the floor, the defense's main concern and focus was either one of those men before Harden. Harden still got the benefit of the defenses shifting their schemes around KD or WB, which is not Harden's fault by any means.

Jeremy Lin is a guy who can get you 15 and 5 (Maybe even 20 and 7) on a nightly basis. Especially considering both he and Harden are going to have the greenlight to shoot whenever they want to.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Jeremy Lin is a guy who can get you 15 and 5 (Maybe even 20 and 5) on a nightly basis. Especially considering both he and Harden are going to have the greenlight to shoot whenever they want to.

Maybe, but my point is defenses won't be scheming for Jeremy Lin first, Harden second. Nobody on that team is a bigger threat than Harden and if Lin is your second best threat, then yikes. Teams will let Lin go crazy and focus on stopping Harden.

Not to mention Lin is no comparison to Westbrook or Durant in terms of matchups, obviously.

Also if Lin averages 20 a game, well sheesh.